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"anywhere near" ~ 60 miles the border patrol checkpoint where San Diego county ends and Riverside county begins is around 60 miles from the border

pmiller2 8y ago
Last I heard, and, according to the article linked up thread from the ACLU, it was 100 miles. Two thirds of Americans, and many entire state populations live within this zone.
- InitialLastName 8y ago
  Theoretically, though, within that area they need probable cause to believe you either recently crossed the border or committed a crime to search you. We all know how easy PC is to manufacture though.
  - jellicle 8y ago
    > need probable cause Not according to the Supreme Court, no.
    - MertsA 8y ago
      No he's right, he's not talking about just asking if you're a citizen. Before CBP can search and seize your property they require probable cause. They have plenty of drug dogs available to come up with any "probable cause" necessary.
      - jellicle 8y ago
        Sigh. No, he's wrong, and you are too. If you come up to a Border Patrol checkpoint at the border or within 100 miles of the border, the Border Patrol can search your car and all your personal belongings. They can seize anything that appears to be contraband or evidence of a crime. Full stop, end of sentence, no probable cause required. Completely legal for the border guards to tear down EVERY SINGLE CAR that crosses the border (or a checkpoint within 100 miles of the border). If you don't like it blame the Supreme Court: United States v. Martinez-Fuerte. Border searches in the US have never required probable cause.
        InitialLastName 8y ago
        According to [0]: Border Patrol cannot search the interior of a vehicle without the owner’s consent or “probable cause” (a reasonable belief, based on the circumstances, that an immigration violation or crime has likely occurred). Who's wrong, you or the ACLU? [0]https://www.acluaz.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/aclu_border_rights.pdf https://www.acluaz.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/a...
jellicle 8y ago
It's a couple hundred meters from the western border of the USA. Which as a thought experiment shows that the 100 miles is not the real problem; a great deal of hassle can occur even if checks were limited to a single mile from the border.

pmiller2 8y ago

Last I heard, and, according to the article linked up thread from the ACLU, it was 100 miles. Two thirds of Americans, and many entire state populations live within this zone.

InitialLastName 8y ago
Theoretically, though, within that area they need probable cause to believe you either recently crossed the border or committed a crime to search you. We all know how easy PC is to manufacture though.
- jellicle 8y ago
  > need probable cause Not according to the Supreme Court, no.
  - MertsA 8y ago
    No he's right, he's not talking about just asking if you're a citizen. Before CBP can search and seize your property they require probable cause. They have plenty of drug dogs available to come up with any "probable cause" necessary.
    - jellicle 8y ago
      Sigh. No, he's wrong, and you are too. If you come up to a Border Patrol checkpoint at the border or within 100 miles of the border, the Border Patrol can search your car and all your personal belongings. They can seize anything that appears to be contraband or evidence of a crime. Full stop, end of sentence, no probable cause required. Completely legal for the border guards to tear down EVERY SINGLE CAR that crosses the border (or a checkpoint within 100 miles of the border). If you don't like it blame the Supreme Court: United States v. Martinez-Fuerte. Border searches in the US have never required probable cause.
      - InitialLastName 8y ago
        According to [0]: Border Patrol cannot search the interior of a vehicle without the owner’s consent or “probable cause” (a reasonable belief, based on the circumstances, that an immigration violation or crime has likely occurred). Who's wrong, you or the ACLU? [0]https://www.acluaz.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/aclu_border_rights.pdf https://www.acluaz.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/a...

jellicle 8y ago

It's a couple hundred meters from the western border of the USA. Which as a thought experiment shows that the 100 miles is not the real problem; a great deal of hassle can occur even if checks were limited to a single mile from the border.