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This is essentially how all business works. When I got my first job before I went to university I was very surprised to learn that accountants always pay invoic

This is essentially how all business works. When I got my first job before I went to university I was very surprised to learn that accountants always pay invoices on the very last day of the terms rather than as soon as they can. Since everyone else is going to pay you as late as they poassibly can, if you pay your invoices as soon as you can you'll lose out in the long run. The way everyone tries to get slightly more from other people than they give back is one of the things I dislike most about humans. I wish we had a system that punished such behaviour rather than rewarding it.

nerdponx 8y ago
It's not hard to construct a "multi agent" version of the prisoners dilemma, in which only one prisoner defecting would cause every prisoner to defect.
- smadge 8y ago
  Canonically, the Prisoners Dilema is a game with one round and each player has no idea what strategy the other player will employ; the one round is taken simultaneously. In this version, it doesn’t make sense to say “one prisoner defecting would cause every prisoner to defect.” That sounds more like the tit-for-tat strategy in multi round prisoners dilema.
  - nerdponx 8y ago
    No, it works in the simultaneous one-round case as well. I think you know what I mean, and it's frustrating when people reply glibly just to try and seem high and mighty online. Let's say that all defecting prisoners are given a light sentence, and all non-defecting prisoners are given the full sentence. You can work through the rest.
ams6110 8y ago
It's often not that they're really trying to screw the vendor, but that their cash flow doesn't allow immediate payment. A lot of commercial invoices have payment terms like "2/10, net 30" meaning you can take a 2% discount if you pay within 10 days. The cost of not taking this deal is an effective 35% annualized interest rate, so it's a big incentive to pay early, assuming your cash flow allows it.
- sbarre 8y ago
  I used to do this as a freelancer.. Some clients would insist on 45 or 60-day terms for my invoices, and as a self-employed individual (who at the time couldn't afford to be picky about my contracts), this really sucked. Then someone suggested to me I put a clause offering a 2% discount if they paid within 15 days. I definitely remember some of my clients taking me up on that and paying quickly, and it was a big help..
  - chrisbennet 8y ago
    I remember the first time I discovered what “30day net” meant. “What? You’re going to borrow my money for 30days???” I’m a consultant and I charge $N for 30 net and 25% off if payed in 10. (25% is not a typo.) Very few of my clients do the math and decide they want to borrow my money for the full month.
phkahler 8y ago
>> When I got my first job before I went to university I was very surprised to learn that accountants always pay invoices on the very last day of the terms rather than as soon as they can. I was told one company I worked at held off payment beyond the terms - waiting until we owed enough to be worth their bother. The problem was that one guy was trying to order parts to build some prototypes for a customer and they refused to do anything until they got paid. Our sales efforts were being hindered by people refusing to do their jobs - i.e. pay suppliers.

nerdponx 8y ago

It's not hard to construct a "multi agent" version of the prisoners dilemma, in which only one prisoner defecting would cause every prisoner to defect.

smadge 8y ago
Canonically, the Prisoners Dilema is a game with one round and each player has no idea what strategy the other player will employ; the one round is taken simultaneously. In this version, it doesn’t make sense to say “one prisoner defecting would cause every prisoner to defect.” That sounds more like the tit-for-tat strategy in multi round prisoners dilema.
- nerdponx 8y ago
  No, it works in the simultaneous one-round case as well. I think you know what I mean, and it's frustrating when people reply glibly just to try and seem high and mighty online. Let's say that all defecting prisoners are given a light sentence, and all non-defecting prisoners are given the full sentence. You can work through the rest.

ams6110 8y ago

It's often not that they're really trying to screw the vendor, but that their cash flow doesn't allow immediate payment. A lot of commercial invoices have payment terms like "2/10, net 30" meaning you can take a 2% discount if you pay within 10 days. The cost of not taking this deal is an effective 35% annualized interest rate, so it's a big incentive to pay early, assuming your cash flow allows it.

sbarre 8y ago
I used to do this as a freelancer.. Some clients would insist on 45 or 60-day terms for my invoices, and as a self-employed individual (who at the time couldn't afford to be picky about my contracts), this really sucked. Then someone suggested to me I put a clause offering a 2% discount if they paid within 15 days. I definitely remember some of my clients taking me up on that and paying quickly, and it was a big help..
- chrisbennet 8y ago
  I remember the first time I discovered what “30day net” meant. “What? You’re going to borrow my money for 30days???” I’m a consultant and I charge $N for 30 net and 25% off if payed in 10. (25% is not a typo.) Very few of my clients do the math and decide they want to borrow my money for the full month.

phkahler 8y ago

>> When I got my first job before I went to university I was very surprised to learn that accountants always pay invoices on the very last day of the terms rather than as soon as they can. I was told one company I worked at held off payment beyond the terms - waiting until we owed enough to be worth their bother. The problem was that one guy was trying to order parts to build some prototypes for a customer and they refused to do anything until they got paid. Our sales efforts were being hindered by people refusing to do their jobs - i.e. pay suppliers.