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Show HN: Remote jobs for people with disabilities
- unethical_ban 8y agoI like the idea, but isn't the problem the fact that more tech isn't "disabled-friendly" anyway? Wouldn't it be technically illegal to discriminate against disabled without a bona fide reason? As far as the site itself goes - hey, go for it! But it should have a mission statement, some kind of FAQ or explanation of why that should be used instead of other sites, and more information on the kinds of disabilities being catered to in a posting (or why a job is particularly considerate of disabilities).
- Cthulhu_ 8y ago> Wouldn't it be technically illegal to discriminate against disabled without a bona fide reason? It is in most parts of the world, and most countries have building codes that force them to be wheelchair accessable for example. However, I can imagine that there's a group of people for who getting to work every day is a big hassle (arranging transport, etc), and who would prefer to work from home.
- nathanaldensr 8y agoIt's not just about physical access to a building. There are many, many jobs that require certain physical abilities. You'll often see them listed on a US job application like this: "Must be able to lift 100 pounds unassisted." The wording is carefully chosen to indicate a job requirement rather than a personal health or wellness requirement.
- mmt 8y agoMoreover, such requirements can be listed, even if they're only occasional parts of the job (and might reasonably be accomodated away by having someone else or a piece of machinery perform that portion instead). For example, I've seen senior IT-Helpdesk postings requiring lifting of 40 pounds, where the duties listed are otherwise non-physical.
- miiiiiike 8y agoIt's useful. Disclosing a disability during a job search is risky. An employer taking the time to say "I don't care about your disability, apply." might be the difference between someone qualified deciding to apply or not. That fact that discrimination based on a number of factors is illegal for employers in the US doesn't change anything. People break the law, act inappropriately, and damage careers/job prospects all the time. And, unless they do something supernaturally stupid, there won't be any consequences for misconduct. There's no harm in employers throwing "We're an Equal Opportunity Employer, and mean it" into a job post, or putting up an ad on a site like this. It shows that they're at least minimally serious about it.
- drngdds 8y ago>Wouldn't it be technically illegal to discriminate against disabled without a bona fide reason? It's really easy to make up a reason. "Not a good culture fit" and so on.
- sonofgod 8y agoYou've got some encoding issues, I think it's double UTF-8: ("Youâve") I appreciate it's only a demo but your one job being not actually remote is a bit of a letdown. The big challenge is going to be getting this advertised.
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoI have noticed the encoding issue. Working on it. The job posting is though not remote, but welcomes/prefers the people with disabilities.
- exikyut 8y agoHere you go, if you're using python(?): https://ftfy.now.sh/ https://ftfy.now.sh/ That's the web demo link above, but ftfy is a Python library you throw all your text through and it comes out magically perfect. I can copy Unicode text through (non-UTF-8 aware) VNC and completely destroy it, paste it into FTFY, and it just figures it out no matter how bad it gets. Since I'm here, I _have_ to do this... I copied a small piece of text back and forth through TigerVNC a few times, yielding this: YouÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂve What FTFY thinks I copied back and forth: "You’ve" Note the â - err, sorry, ’ quote character :) (Oh hey, I made my comment get a horizontal scrollbar, without using any code formatting! Nice!)
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoThis is very helpful. I am using Java so search SO for any answers. Nothing is working till now.
- memco 8y agoPlus one for FTFY: recently went through some pains converting shell output with some funky encodings to XML compliant UTF8. FTFY was the simplest and most effective solution I found for getting the desired outcome without mangling anything more than necessary.
- codingdave 8y agoThe only job posted there says they want you to work in their office to start. That is just a content problem, but I have mixed feelings about the site in general. As someone with medical problems that do impact my work, I love the idea of a site that has filtered the postings down to employers who will be supportive. But I don't see anything there that actually enforces that filter or proves that the employers understand the related issues. Also, the concept seems to be on shaky ground, legally, at least in the USA where employers are not privy to the medical status of their employees.
- dfsegoat 8y agoRE: "Shakey ground legally" Are you talking about your particular case where a medical issue impacts your ability to work but isn't a true disability? Because otherwise, for a true disability - employers MUST comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act and not discriminate against a candidate who is qualified, disabled - and can work with a "reasonable accommodation" [1]. 1 - https://www.eeoc.gov/facts/ada18.html https://www.eeoc.gov/facts/ada18.html
- freeone3000 8y agoIt's harder to prove discrimination during the hiring process than after.
- codingdave 8y agoI'm not sure what legal distinction you are referring to when you say a "true disability". Nor am I sure exactly what the legalities are, which is why I simply said it felt "shaky". But I do know that in general, hiring processes don't ask about disabilities. They are one of the topics that are supposed to be unknown, to avoid discrimination claims. So putting up a site where the employers and candidates are volunteering to be put into that bucket is what I am questioning. IANAL, so I'm not trying to say whether the idea is OK or not... I'm just saying that I don't know how those answers would play out, but it feels like an area that deserves investigation.
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- cimmanom 8y agoAnd... the only job posted there also uses a gendered term ("king") that suggests it's not open to women.
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoI think he meant well... Let me ask the OP to change it...
- GiorgioG 8y agoOr maybe we should stop being such snowflakes.
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- naamander 8y agoYeah only if you are leftist whiny cuck. Obviously the position is not limited by gender.
- harianus 8y agoI'm the job poster, and yes. It's hard to find a term that does apply for both. If you have a good suggestion, let me know!
- cimmanom 8y ago"Ruler"? Personally, I find silly over the top terminology like that or ("ninja" or "rock star") a turn-off in a job posting anyway; but for those who do find it appealing, there's plenty of gender-neutral terminology. Thank you for being open to input.
- nickbarnwell 8y ago"Sovereign" or "Monarch" would be the gender neutral equivalent.
- bchjam 8y agoHow does this cater to the disabled more than any other remote job site? If it does, there should be a little blurb about it
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoThe jobs/companies are genuinely interested in hiring people with disabilities. I am working on adding more copy to the website to make it more clearer.
- 10dpd 8y agoThere isn't any difference between a job for someone with a disability vs someone without a disability.
- mathgeek 8y agoThere are jobs that someone with a disability can do just as well as someone without that disability. Likewise, there are jobs where that's not the case.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoThere are jobs where employers actively try to support disabled employees, and there are jobs that will grumblingly provide the bare minimum legally required by the ADA and then find some pretext to fire you (or to not hire you in the first place, if you admit your disability during the interview). It's valuable to let companies in the first category identify themselves.
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoTotally, this is the whole idea. Companies who prefer people with disabilities and not just post some random stuff in their job description to justify "equal oppurtunity employers". You guys are really awesome as I have got awesome support and people have literally answered the questions that I didnt have answers for. Thank you so much :)
- barbecue_sauce 8y agoMany jobs involve physical labor which is inhibited by an array of disabilities.
- kjullien 8y agoWhat kind of disabilities are we talking about here ? Physical ? Mental ? Both ? Any way to know ? Does anthropophobia count as a disability for instance ? Searched on the page but I could not find anything relating this.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoPresumably the kind of disability that makes it difficult for you to work remote jobs.
- simonebrunozzi 8y agoI think the initiative is brilliant, despite the fact that there's only one job posting right now (Aug 24th, 8am PT). Let me share my point of view as founder/CEO of a small startup in San Francisco, hoping that this helps. What we do: we are building a software platform to digitize real estate properties (titles) using the Blockchain. (I know, Blockchain will solve everything bla-bla-bla... the reality is that we think this is a good use case for Blockchain technology; but I digress...) We are a team of 3 co-founders (2 fairly technical, one business oriented), 1 lawyer (the product requires a lot of legal stuff), and 2.5 software developers. Right now we are looking for at least one more technical person, possibly a front-end. We have raised ~650k in an angel round, after bootstrapping for ~10 months. We launched an alpha version of the product, and we have one paying customer (a company, as we are mostly b2b at the moment). The next few hires will be absolutely crucial for us. We can't really afford experiments. What this has to do with disabilities? I am happy to hire anyone with the right skills, no matter his skin, gender, sexual orientation, or disabilities. Heck, we even hired Italians! (I am Italian, I can make that joke :D). We don't mind remote people, either. We have a very flexible policy in regards to work. We are not big fans of 9-to-5 and offices. To be able to hire someone with disabilities, we would need a healthy "inventory" of candidates. The site mentioned in this post, jobenabler.org, lists job opportunities, but doesn't guarantee a good enough list of candidates. As CEO of a small young cash-poor startup, I have to be brutal and prioritize my time, and therefore I am not sure whether this tool is good enough to find our next hire. Please note: I am trying to share my point of view as a potential employer, hoping that this helps the discussion. Any comment, suggestion, or ways in which we can improve the chances of hiring someone with disabilities, please share here, or email me at simone @ fabrica.city.
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoThis is very helpful. I am working on growing the site and getting it in front of as many technical people possible. This is just v1 to get feedback to make sure I am on the right track. On the side note, posting is free so you can post today and see if you get any potential candidates.
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- maerF0x0 8y agoAs a more meta point. Maybe we could get a supportive tag on the monthly who's hiring post?
- CiTyBear 8y agoIt already have remote for remote job. Something like [PRM] (Person with Reduced Mobility] ?
- excalibur 8y agohttps://www.disabilityjobexchange.com/ https://www.disabilityjobexchange.com/ https://disabilityjobs.net/ https://disabilityjobs.net/ https://www.disabledperson.com/ https://www.disabledperson.com/ https://abilityjobs.com/ https://abilityjobs.com/ https://www.disability.jobs/ https://www.disability.jobs/ This is from the first two pages of the Google results for "disability jobs". I've excluded government programs and disability-focused sections of more generalized job boards.
- point78 8y agoNone of these are for remote jobs and just look like they are data farming
- skinnymuch 8y agoAll of them look to just be grabbing their data from elsewhere. Some without too much discretion. None are for remote either.
- justboxing 8y agoIs this some kind of joke? There's literally just 1 job listed, and even that looks like a "Lorem ipsum dolor" type placeholder content. https://www.jobenabler.org/job?id=2 https://www.jobenabler.org/job?id=2 POSITION : Are you our King of Dev? COMPANY : Member Get Member Company. If this is a landing page to gauge interest, it's a really poor attempt and definitely doesn't belong on Show HN (per guidelines). > If your work isn't ready for people to try out yet, please don't do a Show HN. Once it's ready, come back and do it then. Source: Show HN Guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html
- rhacker 8y agoWhoa now, I would say this falls under a Show HN... however your post clearly falls under what you're not supposed to do: In Comments Be respectful. Anyone sharing work is making a contribution, however modest. Ask questions out of curiosity. Don't cross-examine. Instead of "you're doing it wrong", suggest alternatives. When someone is learning, help them learn more. When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is. But don't be gratuitously negative.
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoI know there is only one job there right now, now there is one. The reason I posted on HN is because maybe there are people who are interested to hire through me and add job posts.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoI have mixed feelings about this. I have a disability. I went through a program to help me get a job. Thankfully, I had a job offer by the time the intake process was completed because their approach was likely to leave me trapped in poverty permanently rather than merely for years while I sorted my personal issues. It seems to be inherently problematic to do this type of focus. Putting your emphasis on the disability first and foremost tends to be counterproductive. It also promotes a mentality that you deserve a job for your son story. This tends to work about as well as nepotism does, and for pretty much the same reason. People may need a job even though they are disabled, but the focus really needs to be on "Well, what can you do?" The very first problem I see with this is that it promises full-time remote jobs. Disabled people often have a lot of trouble working full-time. Many of them want part-time work. My first full-time job was actually only 37.5 hours per week on the evening shift. That 2.5 hours difference was important. I eventually made the switch to 40 hours on the day shift and the transition was really hard. I spent weeks feeling exhausted, and this was after having that job for a while. I probably would have washed out had I started at 40 hours on day shift. I would prefer to see a blog that explored disability issues combined with a remote job board where the listings answered the kind of questions a person with a disability might have. The blog could explore what works and why for different types of disabilities, then highlight a few current job postings. A lot of disabled people were able-bodied until something bad happened to them. They may not know what they need to know to make life work as a disabled person. Most messages aimed at disabled individuals tell them they just can't do what others do. Figuring it all out yourself is an extra job on top of trying to make life work with a disability. I would especially like to see part-time remote jobs and things with flexible hours. In practice, I have found that 1099 positions serve my needs better than a "remote job." I saw how remote jobs were handled by my previous corporate employer. To my mind, it was a worst of both worlds scenario. As a person with a disability, I need more control over my time and life and more opportunity to do things on my terms. I need control over my schedule. Jobs tend to not offer that. Certain contract positions classified as 1099 work tend to be better about that. (Which isn't to say this is always true. Not all 1099 positions are like that.) One problem with a job: the work is structured with an expectation that you show up at certain hours and hit a certain productivity level for those hours. I like doing piece work where I know when it needs to be finished, but it is up to me when I do it and how long I spend on it. Different disabilities will have different needs and remedies. What a blind person needs will very much differ from what I need. What a deaf person needs will very much differ from both those scenarios. I hope you are wildly successful. Please take my remarks in the spirit of constructive feedback. Edit: I will note that I like the name and I think the name gives it potential to become something that fits with my above thoughts about how to approach this problem space.
- jscholes 8y agoBit of a mixed bag this one. Love the site itself. It's accessible, it's fast, it's easy to use. But it also only shows two jobs. One of them isn't remote, and it pays in euros but the salary section at the top of the page says dollars. I'll leave the discussions re: disclosing a disability to employers upfront or being refered to a company by a disability-specific jobsearch site to other people; I'm disabled myself but still don't have answers in those areas.
- zaheerbaloch 8y agoThanks for this sincere feedback. This is work in progress and just wanted to get it out there as soon as possible. Will be adding currency symbol with salary, plus making sure the employers mention that whether its a complete remote job. Note that the idea is that the companies that are genuinely willing to hire people with disabilities can post on jobenabler and genuine candidates apply.