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...it sounds like they did fix them? People used to complain about not getting bathroom breaks and unpleasant temperatures. Either they're lying, or they did fi

• forapurpose 8y ago
  > it sounds like they did fix them On what basis? All we have is PR talking points presented, deceptively, as genuine opinions of real employees. That doesn't seem like evidence.
  • danaris 8y ago
    Maybe the bots have infiltrated HN, too?
    • dang 8y ago
      Please don't go there, unless you have evidence. Internet discussions don't do well after this card is played. This is in the site guidelines btw: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  • darawk 8y ago
    If you're accusing them of lying, that's fine. But what you claimed was that these are just talking points "instead of" fixing the issues. So, they are claiming they fixed the issues. Are you claiming they are lying about that?
    • darpa_escapee 8y ago
      Plenty of untrue statements are asserted as fact in good faith and without intention to deceive. Asking for evidence is not the same thing as an accusation of dishonesty.
      • darawk 8y ago
        Um, what? These people are representing themselves as employees of Amazon, who work in these factories. Unless they are lying about that, then they are in a position to know. Therefore, if they are making an assertion and it is untrue, they are lying. This isn't that complicated.
        • greglindahl 8y ago
          Is it possible that two employees at an Amazon facility might disagree about the ideal temperature of the facility?
          • darawk 8y ago
            Sure, but whether or not they get bathroom breaks is objective.
            • greglindahl 8y ago
              No. Different people have different opinions as to whether they get enough bathroom breaks.
              • darawk 8y ago
                You added a word there. The prior claim was that they didn't get them, fullstop.
    • albedoa 8y ago
      This is a really weird line to take. Obviously by "rather than fix" he means fix and demonstrate. Otherwise, why is is up to anyone but Amazon to prove that they have fixed the issues? You are misdirecting the burden.
    • forapurpose 8y ago
      > what you claimed was that these are just talking points "instead of" fixing the issues. I didn't say the words you quoted.
• krapp 8y ago
  >...it sounds like they did fix them? Kind of to a point. People get bathroom breaks, but those count against your rate, and people do sometimes get written up for taking them, although that's as much a matter of Amazon encouraging ruthlessness in management as anything. I know of one anecdotal story of a worker who was apparently written up for the time it took them to clean up after their own nosebleed. In the FC where I work, the temperatures are definitely not pleasant, but HR insists we simply aren't aware of how perfect the climate control is. I think it's one of those things that depends on where you work and who you work under.
  • darawk 8y ago
    Ya, that seems like the most reasonable explanation.
  • fcthrowaway 8y ago
    Somebody complained about the heat on the board* a while back, and the site lead said it was up to code. They have their network-wide internal standards. I forget what the ceiling for acceptable temperature is, but it gets pretty hot in the summer, especially if you're doing inbound. I don't worry about heat-related injuries or anything, but I wouldn't call it comfortable. * What is it, Voice of the Associates? Something like that. It's a big whiteboard in the breakroom. You write down your login and a message for management/IT/HR and they write a response.