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Only on the internet does the notion of a "gatekeeper" leading to some authoritarian universe make sense. In the real word, it isn't immoral to sell devices th

Only on the internet does the notion of a "gatekeeper" leading to some authoritarian universe make sense. In the real word, it isn't immoral to sell devices that don't run non-trusted binaries. If Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai could speak to every user and tell them "the reason our platform's default behavior is to not run non-trusted apps is because we don't want your device to get viruses or perform non-trusted functionality", and you told those users that it's "immoral for these companies to make those decisions for you", nine times out of ten those users would choose to have all developers go through Apple and Google instead.

TheCoelacanth 8y ago
It's reasonable as a default choice. It's not reasonable as the only choice.
- yongjik 8y ago
  On the flip side, Apple standing its ground and forcing poor companies to get their apps approved by Apple played a big role in South Korea's mobile banking experience not being a total shitfest filled with five Windows-only security plugins (per bank) that will fight with the user and each other. Sure, in an alternative universe, you can always say no to the whole nation's banking industry and refuse to do mobile banking. Just like you can say no and not buy an iPhone in our world. Disclaimer: Never had an iPhone. This comment is based on what I have heard.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    Very interesting, do you have any cites for that? S. Korea has always been dominated by Android phones (and specifically Samsung, the home brand), so it's amazing that Apple gets the credit for the mobile banking experience. What's even more amazing is that iPhones weren't even sold in Korea until 2010, long after most Korean banks had released mobile apps, so Apple must have somehow manipulated time and space to change Korean mobile banking...
    - yongjik 8y ago
      iPhones were more popular back then, and even if there's already an Android app, if the experience is a lot shittier than corresponding iPhone experience, users (and maybe Samsung and LG, who have to sell the phones after all) would demand a better app. Sorry, that's what I remember from reading Korean boards years ago. I don't have a citation.
hobofan 8y ago
Yes, because the average user buys into the lie that "by adhering to this one simple trick you get 100% security", just like people tolerate the TSA with the same reasoning as a means "to fight terrorism".
stale2002 8y ago
It is not reasonable for Apple to sue people for attempting to make changed to devices that they own. (This indeed happened, when Apple attempted to stop people from jailbreaking their phones). I believe in property rights and everyone's legal right to make whatever changes that they want to devices that they own.

TheCoelacanth 8y ago

It's reasonable as a default choice. It's not reasonable as the only choice.

yongjik 8y ago
On the flip side, Apple standing its ground and forcing poor companies to get their apps approved by Apple played a big role in South Korea's mobile banking experience not being a total shitfest filled with five Windows-only security plugins (per bank) that will fight with the user and each other. Sure, in an alternative universe, you can always say no to the whole nation's banking industry and refuse to do mobile banking. Just like you can say no and not buy an iPhone in our world. Disclaimer: Never had an iPhone. This comment is based on what I have heard.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  Very interesting, do you have any cites for that? S. Korea has always been dominated by Android phones (and specifically Samsung, the home brand), so it's amazing that Apple gets the credit for the mobile banking experience. What's even more amazing is that iPhones weren't even sold in Korea until 2010, long after most Korean banks had released mobile apps, so Apple must have somehow manipulated time and space to change Korean mobile banking...
  - yongjik 8y ago
    iPhones were more popular back then, and even if there's already an Android app, if the experience is a lot shittier than corresponding iPhone experience, users (and maybe Samsung and LG, who have to sell the phones after all) would demand a better app. Sorry, that's what I remember from reading Korean boards years ago. I don't have a citation.

hobofan 8y ago

Yes, because the average user buys into the lie that "by adhering to this one simple trick you get 100% security", just like people tolerate the TSA with the same reasoning as a means "to fight terrorism".

stale2002 8y ago

It is not reasonable for Apple to sue people for attempting to make changed to devices that they own. (This indeed happened, when Apple attempted to stop people from jailbreaking their phones). I believe in property rights and everyone's legal right to make whatever changes that they want to devices that they own.