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I already mentioned that Koreans in Japan have obtained a special status that is AFAIK better than any other nationality as a direct result of WW2. As an exampl

by dbjh 8y ago

I already mentioned that Koreans in Japan have obtained a special status that is AFAIK better than any other nationality as a direct result of WW2. As an example of an attempt to rectify things what about this long list of official apologies that are somehow forgotten in this kind of "discussion"? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statemen... And you are again being disingenuous with what you care to mention. From the list above: January 1, 1992: Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa, in a press conference, said: "Concerning the comfort women, I apologize from the bottom of my heart and feel remorse for those people who suffered indescribable hardships". Are you perhaps trying to raise the bar? In 10 other official apologies the suffering of the comfort women is acknowledged. You will also see that the Japanese government didn't only spend words on this issue, but also allocated funds.

mrpopo 8y ago
From the very article you are citing : March 1, 2007: Prime Minister Shinzō Abe stated in a newspaper article that there was no evidence that the Japanese government had kept sex slaves, even though the Japanese government had already admitted the use of brothels in 1993.
- dbjh 8y ago
  Your quote doesn't invalidate anything I wrote. My response proved jimmywanger's claim "no attempt to rectify the situation has been made by the government" to be false. Also note how he moved the goalposts. In his original post he talks about how Koreans are oppressed, while in the second post he changed it to have been oppressed in the past. I have no interest in discussing the definition of "slave". I do find it irritating he brought up WW2 within 2 hours after the article was posted, just because it was about Japan. I get the impression he just wanted to use the opportunity to bad-mouth Japan.
  - jimmywanger 8y ago
    > I do find it irritating he brought up WW2 within 2 hours after the article was posted, just because it was about Japan. I get the impression he just wanted to use the opportunity to bad-mouth Japan. Trying to read somebody's motives (who you have never met) is mostly incorrect. Japanese people in Japan are incredibly racist towards other Asian people. And the Japanese government is backpedaling and still visits a shrine with convicted war criminals celebrated as casualties.
    - glandium 8y ago
      > and still visits a shrine with convicted war criminals celebrated as casualties. Not trying to be apologetic, but I recently learned that the Yasukuni shrine is _also_ the "home" of Sakamoto Ryōma and others involved in the Tokugawa shogunate overthrow and the following Meiji restoration, so it's not /that/ simple.
lifthrasiir 8y ago
Survivors of the so-called "comfort women" issue have focused on changing the stance of the Japanese government and less on seeking compensation (most survivors are now decreased anyway, soon there will be nothing available to compensate). When the government allocates funds and at the same time disagrees the issue, it is natural to think that it wants to wait til a storm of publicity ends---a good reason to be condemned. Also note that the government's opinion on the issue has been steadily deteriorated since 2010, as jimmywanger correctly puts. It's right to worry about.

by dbjh 8y ago

mrpopo 8y ago

From the very article you are citing : March 1, 2007: Prime Minister Shinzō Abe stated in a newspaper article that there was no evidence that the Japanese government had kept sex slaves, even though the Japanese government had already admitted the use of brothels in 1993.

dbjh 8y ago
Your quote doesn't invalidate anything I wrote. My response proved jimmywanger's claim "no attempt to rectify the situation has been made by the government" to be false. Also note how he moved the goalposts. In his original post he talks about how Koreans are oppressed, while in the second post he changed it to have been oppressed in the past. I have no interest in discussing the definition of "slave". I do find it irritating he brought up WW2 within 2 hours after the article was posted, just because it was about Japan. I get the impression he just wanted to use the opportunity to bad-mouth Japan.
- jimmywanger 8y ago
  > I do find it irritating he brought up WW2 within 2 hours after the article was posted, just because it was about Japan. I get the impression he just wanted to use the opportunity to bad-mouth Japan. Trying to read somebody's motives (who you have never met) is mostly incorrect. Japanese people in Japan are incredibly racist towards other Asian people. And the Japanese government is backpedaling and still visits a shrine with convicted war criminals celebrated as casualties.
  - glandium 8y ago
    > and still visits a shrine with convicted war criminals celebrated as casualties. Not trying to be apologetic, but I recently learned that the Yasukuni shrine is _also_ the "home" of Sakamoto Ryōma and others involved in the Tokugawa shogunate overthrow and the following Meiji restoration, so it's not /that/ simple.

lifthrasiir 8y ago

Survivors of the so-called "comfort women" issue have focused on changing the stance of the Japanese government and less on seeking compensation (most survivors are now decreased anyway, soon there will be nothing available to compensate). When the government allocates funds and at the same time disagrees the issue, it is natural to think that it wants to wait til a storm of publicity ends---a good reason to be condemned. Also note that the government's opinion on the issue has been steadily deteriorated since 2010, as jimmywanger correctly puts. It's right to worry about.