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The company I work for is completely committed to pair programming, which means everyone does it a 100% of the time. It is fine to help you ramp up when you jus

by xmklb 8y ago

The company I work for is completely committed to pair programming, which means everyone does it a 100% of the time. It is fine to help you ramp up when you just joined, but after 4 months of non-stop pairing, it seems like it's just too much.

pensatoio 8y ago
That’s ridiculous. Pairing 100% would seriously hamper productivity. You need time to withdraw into your mind and think through solutions. This is why code reviews were invented.
- acct1771 8y ago
  What could make code reviews more effective? Doing them all the time! /s
- captain_perl 8y ago
  Highly recommended: https://www.gerritcodereview.com/ https://www.gerritcodereview.com/
  - ribble 8y ago
    read through it. that is nice. thank you for sharing that! do believe am going to implement that for my team.
  - xmklb 8y ago
    Would this be an alternative and/or replacement to GitHub's code review features?
  - piotrkaminski 8y ago
    Or (tooting my own horn) for a friendlier but still powerful approach to code reviews that integrates better with GitHub you could try https://reviewable.io https://reviewable.io.
- sgslo 8y ago
  I've worked at a company that did 100% pairing as well, you'd be surprised at the productivity gains that you experience with it, depending on your work habits. Not everyone can sit down for 8 hours a day and write code. Some number of people get distracted by Facebook, Hacker News, whatever it might be. Having a baby-sitter of sorts sitting next to you certainly keeps this kind of person on track - and I know, I'm one of them. Of course this is not every engineer out there. Sure, some people are able to stay focused for 8 hours a day, but I'm certainly not one of them.
  - draw_down 8y ago
    Yuck.
otras 8y ago
This is such an interesting approach. I’ve read about this at Pivotal, and it’s interesting to see how it’s described on their blog vs Glassdoor. I greatly enjoy working with another engineer to solve an especially tricky problem, but only pair programming seems like it would be exhausting. What do you like and dislike about it?
- pytyper2 8y ago
  I dislike someone sitting next to me telling me what they think I should type for 6-8 hours a day.
  - otras 8y ago
    I noticed you mentioned before that you are currently a company founder; was your full pair-programming experience at a previous job? Was that what it was like, and were you forced to work with an individual in which that was the dynamic? My guess would be that full pair-programming wouldn't be uni-directional (you type, I tell you what to type, all day, every day), but I could definitely see that being the worst-case scenario.
    - pytyper2 8y ago
      Yes at a previous job and all of us were in one location so it was more common to sit in the same cubicle, the one person typer probably arose from that. I was not forced to do it, I imagine if I would have complained accommodations would have been made but I'm fully capable of working like that so I stuck it out. There were days where I was not the primary person typing and I would always try to steer the work towards larger sets of changes that could be completed by one person in a predictable amount of time, once found I would suggest they work on that while I step away and work on something else. It might be that the programming I have been involved with is so banal that I have not encountered a problem that could not be described in advance well enough to allow all engineers to work on a separate piece of the application. I also found that pairing sometimes led to excessive non work related conversation. I would say your last statement is correct, each team needs to find working dynamics that make all members successful. I finished the project on that team and accepted a contract position in another city for a larger client. We have a new project though, a graph backed transaction management platform, that will require more collaboration than our usual crud app but we will still not have a policy that involves "sit down and write the code together."
dasmoth 8y ago
Is it exhaustion that can be handled by a week’s vacation? If yes, that might be a starting point. Otherwise, if the company if completely committed, it’s probably time to look for a new job. I couldn’t handle four months...
abledon 8y ago
Sounds awful !! Make sure to get lots of exercise / lift weights / gym etc to combat the stress . The strength training will make you stronger and give you energy to apply for another job on the side.

by xmklb 8y ago

pensatoio 8y ago

That’s ridiculous. Pairing 100% would seriously hamper productivity. You need time to withdraw into your mind and think through solutions. This is why code reviews were invented.

acct1771 8y ago
What could make code reviews more effective? Doing them all the time! /s
captain_perl 8y ago
Highly recommended: https://www.gerritcodereview.com/ https://www.gerritcodereview.com/
- ribble 8y ago
  read through it. that is nice. thank you for sharing that! do believe am going to implement that for my team.
- xmklb 8y ago
  Would this be an alternative and/or replacement to GitHub's code review features?
- piotrkaminski 8y ago
  Or (tooting my own horn) for a friendlier but still powerful approach to code reviews that integrates better with GitHub you could try https://reviewable.io https://reviewable.io.
sgslo 8y ago
I've worked at a company that did 100% pairing as well, you'd be surprised at the productivity gains that you experience with it, depending on your work habits. Not everyone can sit down for 8 hours a day and write code. Some number of people get distracted by Facebook, Hacker News, whatever it might be. Having a baby-sitter of sorts sitting next to you certainly keeps this kind of person on track - and I know, I'm one of them. Of course this is not every engineer out there. Sure, some people are able to stay focused for 8 hours a day, but I'm certainly not one of them.
- draw_down 8y ago
  Yuck.

otras 8y ago

This is such an interesting approach. I’ve read about this at Pivotal, and it’s interesting to see how it’s described on their blog vs Glassdoor. I greatly enjoy working with another engineer to solve an especially tricky problem, but only pair programming seems like it would be exhausting. What do you like and dislike about it?

pytyper2 8y ago
I dislike someone sitting next to me telling me what they think I should type for 6-8 hours a day.
- otras 8y ago
  I noticed you mentioned before that you are currently a company founder; was your full pair-programming experience at a previous job? Was that what it was like, and were you forced to work with an individual in which that was the dynamic? My guess would be that full pair-programming wouldn't be uni-directional (you type, I tell you what to type, all day, every day), but I could definitely see that being the worst-case scenario.
  - pytyper2 8y ago
    Yes at a previous job and all of us were in one location so it was more common to sit in the same cubicle, the one person typer probably arose from that. I was not forced to do it, I imagine if I would have complained accommodations would have been made but I'm fully capable of working like that so I stuck it out. There were days where I was not the primary person typing and I would always try to steer the work towards larger sets of changes that could be completed by one person in a predictable amount of time, once found I would suggest they work on that while I step away and work on something else. It might be that the programming I have been involved with is so banal that I have not encountered a problem that could not be described in advance well enough to allow all engineers to work on a separate piece of the application. I also found that pairing sometimes led to excessive non work related conversation. I would say your last statement is correct, each team needs to find working dynamics that make all members successful. I finished the project on that team and accepted a contract position in another city for a larger client. We have a new project though, a graph backed transaction management platform, that will require more collaboration than our usual crud app but we will still not have a policy that involves "sit down and write the code together."

dasmoth 8y ago

Is it exhaustion that can be handled by a week’s vacation? If yes, that might be a starting point. Otherwise, if the company if completely committed, it’s probably time to look for a new job. I couldn’t handle four months...

abledon 8y ago

Sounds awful !! Make sure to get lots of exercise / lift weights / gym etc to combat the stress . The strength training will make you stronger and give you energy to apply for another job on the side.