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And maybe we all need universal healthcare folks.

by thatfrenchguy 8y ago

rossdavidh 8y ago
Doesn't the U.K. already have that? And most other high-income countries? Not that I'm disagreeing.
- betocmn 8y ago
  Yes, and it's ranked first in this study [1] of 11 different national health care models. [1] https://interactives.commonwealthfund.org/2017/july/mirror-mirror/ https://interactives.commonwealthfund.org/2017/july/mirror-m...
- briandear 8y ago
  Try getting mental health appointments through the NHS. Mental health “services” in the UK are a travesty given the so-called commitment to “universal” care.
  - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
    That's more a function of which government is in than of the healthcare model.
  - androidgirl 8y ago
    I have private insurance in the USA, but I'm only permitted to see a therapist once every three months. Mileage may vary, this is an anecdote, etc. But as an otherwise healthy, young individual, I really just want talk therapy to process my feelings.
allthenews 8y ago
>driven in part by the effects of the opioid epidemic on younger adults in the U.S. and the impact of a severe flu season on older adults in other nations, two new studies suggest. More likely we need to fix the socioeconomic circumstances that drive people toward opioids. Personally, I believe there is a complex cultural problem in the first world. We have it too easy, can subsist without working, and now that people are increasingly less religious, with nothing to do all day and nothing to replace god or community but vapid, consumerist materialism. So poor people turn to drugs to numb the emptiness in their lives. M Though I'm sure there's more involved.
- deleted 8y ago
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- emodendroket 8y ago
  Opioids are also a cheaper fix to chronic pain problems than extensive therapy. And then when it gets too expensive to get prescription drugs heroin is cheaper.
- mmirate 8y ago
  Unfortunately I was a few minutes too late to direct this reply to the right place before it got eaten by flags. Regardless, if anyone here thinks that the character "Thanos" would ever make a good exemplar among humans, then I encourage them to watch this rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV18Xx5EkaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV18Xx5EkaE
- aisengard 8y ago
  One big problem is that we've created a culture where there is literally nothing else other than labor and productivity, literally for productivity's sake. So when we run out of meaningful, productive jobs for everyone, people get depressed because we've drilled into their heads that if you're not being productive, you're worthless. We need to create a society that values happiness over productivity and efficiency. It means not stigmatizing "laziness". It means not punishing doing something for its intellectual sake rather than for profit or productivity. Basically, we need to start to discard the 20th century models of capitalism and communism and start focusing on what we want the 21st century to be about.
- briandear 8y ago
  Are opioids actually an epidemic when measured as a cause of death? 64,000 annually in the US (2016.) That’s not even in the top ten of causes of death.
  - ebikelaw 8y ago
    “Poisoning” (overdoses) and suicide are #1 and #2 causes of death for 25-44 year old Americans.
nautilus12 8y ago
Deaths of despair makes it sound like people need more of their paycheck to go into their pocket so they aren't despairing that they can't afford modern life. Universal healthcare would make that profoundly more difficult.

And maybe we all need universal healthcare folks.

rossdavidh 8y ago

Doesn't the U.K. already have that? And most other high-income countries? Not that I'm disagreeing.

betocmn 8y ago
Yes, and it's ranked first in this study [1] of 11 different national health care models. [1] https://interactives.commonwealthfund.org/2017/july/mirror-mirror/ https://interactives.commonwealthfund.org/2017/july/mirror-m...
briandear 8y ago
Try getting mental health appointments through the NHS. Mental health “services” in the UK are a travesty given the so-called commitment to “universal” care.
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  That's more a function of which government is in than of the healthcare model.
- androidgirl 8y ago
  I have private insurance in the USA, but I'm only permitted to see a therapist once every three months. Mileage may vary, this is an anecdote, etc. But as an otherwise healthy, young individual, I really just want talk therapy to process my feelings.

allthenews 8y ago

>driven in part by the effects of the opioid epidemic on younger adults in the U.S. and the impact of a severe flu season on older adults in other nations, two new studies suggest. More likely we need to fix the socioeconomic circumstances that drive people toward opioids. Personally, I believe there is a complex cultural problem in the first world. We have it too easy, can subsist without working, and now that people are increasingly less religious, with nothing to do all day and nothing to replace god or community but vapid, consumerist materialism. So poor people turn to drugs to numb the emptiness in their lives. M Though I'm sure there's more involved.

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emodendroket 8y ago
Opioids are also a cheaper fix to chronic pain problems than extensive therapy. And then when it gets too expensive to get prescription drugs heroin is cheaper.
mmirate 8y ago
Unfortunately I was a few minutes too late to direct this reply to the right place before it got eaten by flags. Regardless, if anyone here thinks that the character "Thanos" would ever make a good exemplar among humans, then I encourage them to watch this rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV18Xx5EkaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV18Xx5EkaE
aisengard 8y ago
One big problem is that we've created a culture where there is literally nothing else other than labor and productivity, literally for productivity's sake. So when we run out of meaningful, productive jobs for everyone, people get depressed because we've drilled into their heads that if you're not being productive, you're worthless. We need to create a society that values happiness over productivity and efficiency. It means not stigmatizing "laziness". It means not punishing doing something for its intellectual sake rather than for profit or productivity. Basically, we need to start to discard the 20th century models of capitalism and communism and start focusing on what we want the 21st century to be about.
briandear 8y ago
Are opioids actually an epidemic when measured as a cause of death? 64,000 annually in the US (2016.) That’s not even in the top ten of causes of death.
- ebikelaw 8y ago
  “Poisoning” (overdoses) and suicide are #1 and #2 causes of death for 25-44 year old Americans.

nautilus12 8y ago

Deaths of despair makes it sound like people need more of their paycheck to go into their pocket so they aren't despairing that they can't afford modern life. Universal healthcare would make that profoundly more difficult.