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>>>[optionally] enforce >what's that supposed to mean? I was just thinking that some might want to use this software without identification enforcement, or do

by rixrax 8y ago

>>>[optionally] enforce >what's that supposed to mean? I was just thinking that some might want to use this software without identification enforcement, or do it some other way (manually via voter list,...). I think it would not be unreasonable to say that in order to vote, you need to furnish some form of approved identification. That some people don't have a valid government issued Id is in my mind absolutely a problem and we should find a way to make sure people do have some Id regardless of their background. >>...allowing voting via browser. >and how does this prevent vote selling? I don't know. But it appears other countries[0] have managed to make this work. I don't see how it could not work here too. [0] https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-governance/i-voting/ https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-governance/i-voting/

gruez 8y ago
>That some people don't have a valid government issued Id is in my mind absolutely a problem and we should find a way to make sure people do have some Id regardless of their background. yet documented instances of voter fraud that could be stopped by mandatory id checks (mainly impersonation) is surprisingly sparse[1]. this either means that the fraudsters are really good at not getting caught, or that this isn't that big of a problem. if you think about it, it really doesn't make sense to commit this type of voter fraud: the penalties are stiff if you get caught, you're putting yourself at risk every time you commit it (as opposed to sitting behind a computer in an extradition unfriendly country), and it scales poorly (each person you recruit can maybe cast 30 votes on voting day if you factor in lineups and driving time, and the chances that one of them snitches goes exponentially as you recruit more people). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-f... >I don't know. But it appears other countries[0] have managed to make this work. I don't see how it could not work here too. The wikipedia page doesn't seem to put it in a good light... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Estonia#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Estonia#C...

by rixrax 8y ago

gruez 8y ago

>That some people don't have a valid government issued Id is in my mind absolutely a problem and we should find a way to make sure people do have some Id regardless of their background. yet documented instances of voter fraud that could be stopped by mandatory id checks (mainly impersonation) is surprisingly sparse[1]. this either means that the fraudsters are really good at not getting caught, or that this isn't that big of a problem. if you think about it, it really doesn't make sense to commit this type of voter fraud: the penalties are stiff if you get caught, you're putting yourself at risk every time you commit it (as opposed to sitting behind a computer in an extradition unfriendly country), and it scales poorly (each person you recruit can maybe cast 30 votes on voting day if you factor in lineups and driving time, and the chances that one of them snitches goes exponentially as you recruit more people). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-f... >I don't know. But it appears other countries[0] have managed to make this work. I don't see how it could not work here too. The wikipedia page doesn't seem to put it in a good light... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Estonia#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Estonia#C...