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Unrelated but I've done a good amount of nonprofit work and everytime I've had to ask for food donations chickfila has given food free of charge.

digitaLandscape 8y ago
Do you need to sign a purity pledge?
stochastic_monk 8y ago
I see people like this the way I see my Mormon family. They usually try to be very kind and I value that. At the same time, they harbor beliefs which are incredibly damaging to both me and those I love, so I keep a healthy distance while understanding that they mean well. Don’t mistake their kind acts for open-mindedness or acceptance, though.
- dbrueck 8y ago
  Out of curiosity, in what way is Chick-fil-a not open-minded?
  - hogu 8y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/03/19/chick-fil-a-ceo-cathy-gay-marriage-still-wrong-but-ill-shut-up-about-it-and-sell-chicken/#4532740d2fcb https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/03/19/chick-f... Anti gay marriage
    - dbrueck 8y ago
      I understand that you disagree with the CEO, but how do you get from there to the conclusion that he is not open-minded?
      - stochastic_monk 8y ago
        Because he claims that homosexual relationships do not deserve the same state recognition as heterosexual relationships.
        zakm 8y ago
        >My belief is so self-evident that anyone who comes into contact with it must agree with it, therefore if someone doesn't agree with me it must be because they haven't come into contact with it, and the idea is everywhere so therefore if they haven't come into contact with it they must not be open-minded!
        stochastic_monk 8y ago
        See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17835300 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17835300
        dbrueck 8y ago
        Wait, so in order for a person to be open-minded, they have to not only honestly consider other ideas and perspectives (which is what being open-minded actually means) they also have to agree with your perspective? A person's open-mindedness is independent of whether or not somebody else agrees with them. Otherwise, by definition nobody - including you - is open-minded, since there are people that disagree with you. It's completely nonsensical.
        stochastic_monk 8y ago
        It's the fact that they are unable to honestly consider it because of their dogma rather than the fact that they don't agree.
        dbrueck 8y ago
        I'm fascinated by your stance - genuinely fascinated, I'm not trolling you, I'm serious. So to recap, the CEO of Chick-fil-a is part of a group of people ("they") who are actually unable - as in, incapable - of honestly considering certain viewpoints? How did you reach this conclusion, and how did you come to be so certain that this CEO is in that group? Is your understanding that he gave no serious thought to his opinion (i.e. it was just imposed on him), or that he thought about it lightly but lacks critical thinking skills, or something else? Is there any possibility that he simply has a different opinion than you, and that's all there is to it? Like, he educated himself like you did, thought about it like you did, etc. but just reached a different conclusion than you? Or is the only explanation that he is flawed/limited in some way? Apologies in advance if anything I've said comes across as demeaning, I'm genuinely trying to understand. Thanks!

digitaLandscape 8y ago

Do you need to sign a purity pledge?

stochastic_monk 8y ago

I see people like this the way I see my Mormon family. They usually try to be very kind and I value that. At the same time, they harbor beliefs which are incredibly damaging to both me and those I love, so I keep a healthy distance while understanding that they mean well. Don’t mistake their kind acts for open-mindedness or acceptance, though.

dbrueck 8y ago
Out of curiosity, in what way is Chick-fil-a not open-minded?
- hogu 8y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/03/19/chick-fil-a-ceo-cathy-gay-marriage-still-wrong-but-ill-shut-up-about-it-and-sell-chicken/#4532740d2fcb https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/03/19/chick-f... Anti gay marriage
  - dbrueck 8y ago
    I understand that you disagree with the CEO, but how do you get from there to the conclusion that he is not open-minded?
    - stochastic_monk 8y ago
      Because he claims that homosexual relationships do not deserve the same state recognition as heterosexual relationships.
      - zakm 8y ago
        >My belief is so self-evident that anyone who comes into contact with it must agree with it, therefore if someone doesn't agree with me it must be because they haven't come into contact with it, and the idea is everywhere so therefore if they haven't come into contact with it they must not be open-minded!
        stochastic_monk 8y ago
        See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17835300 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17835300
      - dbrueck 8y ago
        Wait, so in order for a person to be open-minded, they have to not only honestly consider other ideas and perspectives (which is what being open-minded actually means) they also have to agree with your perspective? A person's open-mindedness is independent of whether or not somebody else agrees with them. Otherwise, by definition nobody - including you - is open-minded, since there are people that disagree with you. It's completely nonsensical.
        stochastic_monk 8y ago
        It's the fact that they are unable to honestly consider it because of their dogma rather than the fact that they don't agree.
        dbrueck 8y ago
        I'm fascinated by your stance - genuinely fascinated, I'm not trolling you, I'm serious. So to recap, the CEO of Chick-fil-a is part of a group of people ("they") who are actually unable - as in, incapable - of honestly considering certain viewpoints? How did you reach this conclusion, and how did you come to be so certain that this CEO is in that group? Is your understanding that he gave no serious thought to his opinion (i.e. it was just imposed on him), or that he thought about it lightly but lacks critical thinking skills, or something else? Is there any possibility that he simply has a different opinion than you, and that's all there is to it? Like, he educated himself like you did, thought about it like you did, etc. but just reached a different conclusion than you? Or is the only explanation that he is flawed/limited in some way? Apologies in advance if anything I've said comes across as demeaning, I'm genuinely trying to understand. Thanks!