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This is why I am incredibly excited about the impossible burger:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebNeUihciDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebNeUihciDI It's th

This is why I am incredibly excited about the impossible burger:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebNeUihciDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebNeUihciDI It's the ultimate fake burger that has a 1/10 of the environment while being vegan. Now if there was an equivalent for chicken then it I would never eat another animal again!

uhtred 8y ago
Gardein "chicken" products aren't bad. And tofu and tempeh can be awesome replacements for meat.
uxcolumbo 8y ago
Try the beyondmeat chicken strips [0] And here's a hat tip for wanting to give up meat! [0] https://beyondmeat.com/products https://beyondmeat.com/products
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  Not really on-topic, but Beyond Meat makes a line of sausages including a bratwurst. This is important to me because I live in Wisconsin and haven't had a brat since becoming a vegetarian as nobody has made a vegetarian version since Boca cancelled theirs. Problem is, the damned things are so popular there's a huge shortage of them.
  - uxcolumbo 8y ago
    Yep - their products are selling like hot cakes at Wholefoods in LA too. It's great to see people making better choices. Ethan Brown is a great entrepreneur with a great mission. Hope prices will come down and they can scale it, so more people can get their products.
soared 8y ago
Another meaning behind OP's comment might be that you can eat food that is equally as tasty as meat, without eating meat or meat replacements. Obviously this wouldn't work for 50+ years since we're all entrenched in eating meat, but vegetarian dishes /can be/ just as tasty. I'd imagine hundreds of years of improving mostly meat dishes has made them better, but that could be fixed.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  If you're going to eat vegetarian, there are some cuisines, like Indian, that give you more good options.
- lancesells 8y ago
  I had to start eating vegan for health reasons. I thought it would be fairly difficult to stick to but I've found it easy finding foods as tasty as meat or dairy dishes without resorting to soy products that mimic meat. There's good stuff out there and garlic, salt, and olive oil do wonders!
komali2 8y ago
I hate to be a downer but that impossible burger tasted like fried flaxseed to me. Nothing meaty about it at all. I think the best route for global veganism will be vat-grown meat. I haven't had a chance to taste any but it seems the most logical route - why grow the animal when you can just grow the muscle tissue? After the process is made efficient it should be cheaper for ranchers, better for the environment, no animals have to die, tastes the same... Win/win/win/win
- detritus 8y ago
  Afaik, vat-grown muscle tissue is the comparatively easy bit but also the not particularly tasty bit. Fat and the quality of its integration is where the problem of a decent 'ethical synthetical' meat is concerned. But I'll be right behind you in the queue when we get there. I've always been a bit of a carnivore, but the older I get, the worse I feel about eating animals, especially mammals.
veridies 8y ago
If you live in the bay area, go to Berkeley when you have some time, to the vegan deli The Butcher's Son, and try their buffalo chicken sandwich. It's fantastic.
cannonedhamster 8y ago
Chicken is significantly easier than beef to make mock analogues. Quorn, tofurkey, lightlife, and all kinds of other companies make very convincing turkey and chicken. Impossible seems to be the only real beef analogue that's semi-enjoyed by meat eaters. I haven't found many long term vegans/vegetarians that like it. I personally didn't find it fulfilling.
ericdykstra 8y ago
I'm not at all interested in eating a "burger" made using the same techniques as junk food. It's just trash made in a way to trick your brain into thinking it's getting real nutrition by faking textures and flavors a la Doritos and other processed foods. No thanks. edit: I'd prefer a response to downvotes. Companies like Kraft, Frito-Lay, and Post have had "food scientists" whose main job have been tricking people into thinking absolute garbage is tasty for years. The results is an obesity crisis and tongues that are too confused to guide us to decent nutrition any more.
- uxcolumbo 8y ago
  Agreed. Junk food should be avoided and making people aware of this should be a priority, as the health costs are just too high. Junk food should have labels on them - just like cigarette packets have in Europe. But of course that's not going to happen. If the impossible burger and the likes is not for you, why not try other meat free recipes that are equally tasty, if it means not oppressing and inflicting pain and suffering on to other sentient beings?
  - ericdykstra 8y ago
    I don’t have any moral problem with the relationship humans have with farm animals. It’s a symbiotic relationship in which the animal gets shelter, regular food, and protection from predators as well as guaranteed reproductive success (at the species level, if not the individial) in exchange for its meat at the end of the process. Cows and chickens are the most successful mammals and birds on earth. I don’t try to project human emotions on to animals; there is no way evidence animals have any objection to what you call “oppression” or that they object to what you call “pain and suffering.” Quite the opposite, I would say this is the evolutionary path they chose. To your other point, the top 10 dishes I’ve ever had in my life were animals, and pan-frying a nice steak or pork loin along with eggs is a combination full of nutrition that I have never grown tired of.
    - uxcolumbo 8y ago
      Thanks for sharing your view. I'm interested in what led to this conclusion - maybe you grew up around farm animals that were able to have a happy existence most of their life and the farmers did everything to create this 'sheltered' environment for them and only at the end the animal had to suffer (killed). However, I'm not sure you looked into how the majority of the meat we consume is being produced. If not, please review the videos below [0]. I'm curious to find out your thoughts on that - how that couldn't be described as oppressing and enslaving other species. Alex Hershaft - Holocaust survivor - certainly thinks so and draws comparisons to concentration camps and founded 'Farm' after escaped Nazi Germany. > there is no way evidence animals have any objection to what you call “oppression” or that they object to what you call “pain and suffering.” Do you have pets - a dog or a cat? If so, try to cut them with a knife and let me know what how they react. Anyway, no need to carry out this experiment - there is enough evidence that animals actively try to avoid pain. Why else are they screaming when they experience pain? Why else are animals being used in pain research? Maybe you think a pig can't be compared to a dog or cat. Pigs intelligence level has been compared to a young human child and piglets have passed the mirror test. Even fish feel pain [1] >Quite the opposite, I would say this is the evolutionary path they chose. How did they choose this path? We are breeding these animals into existence and there is no natural reproduction. Cows for example are forcibly impregnated on what is sometimes called rape racks - you can find these videos on youtube. There is nothing natural or evolutionary about this. Anyway, let me know after reviewing all this information and after doing your own research - whether you still think it's OK for us humans to continue and support the large scale meat industry. Whether you think it's OK to inflict pain on sentient beings that can experience pain - just so we can derive pleasure from them by consuming their flesh. [0] Reality of large scale meat production Meet your Meat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RX88IGJ35g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RX88IGJ35g Earthlings https://vimeo.com/209647801 https://vimeo.com/209647801 [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain...
patejam 8y ago
While I'm also excited about fake meat, the impossible burger isn't close. Impossible tastes as if you took low quality meat, pureed it, took all the fat out, made it into a patty, and then froze it. Sure, you could trick me into thinking its real meat, but not high quality meat. And of course, this is completely different than creating a steak or something.
- uxcolumbo 8y ago
  We eat meat because it brings us pleasure. Nutrionally we can live without it [0]. So here are our options: 1) Eat real meat and derive pleasure from it, but at the cost of having to make animals suffer, having to kill them and getting food that's quite energy intensive and destructive to the environment and destructive to the people having to work in that industry (factory farming) 2) Hunt and kill animals yourself or raise and kill them yourself - ensuring they (hopefully) had a good life (but still questionable from an ethics point of view whether it's right to kill an animal when you don't need to, to survive). 3) Eat fake meat that's close to the real thing, but no animals have to suffer or die. In the future it will be as good or better than the real thing [1] 4) Explore so many meat free recipes that can equally bring us pleasure and slowly change our habits and tastebuds that are better for the planet. Option 2 is better than option 1 - but most people couldn't do it and also with option 2 we couldn't feed the world - so to me the future is based on option 3 and 4, i.e. plant based. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 [1] When fake super meat is better than the real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpQl9V9yoA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpQl9V9yoA Edit: typo
  - noobermin 8y ago
    I find the end of (4) an argument from other leftists who are vegan really really suspect. It's blaming consumers for the conditions the system created rather than blaming producers who are actually in power. It has a similar flavor to preaching the 3R's and buying expensive hybrid cars when heavy industries and refineries contribute the most to climate change. We aren't going to fix climate change (or any systemic problem) by tugging on the heart strings of a few people who might be influenced by an idea especially when it is at odds with one's material context.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
I haven't tried the Impossible Burger as, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't exist within a 50 mile radius of where I live, but Beyond Meat's Beyond Burger is pretty great too.

uhtred 8y ago

Gardein "chicken" products aren't bad. And tofu and tempeh can be awesome replacements for meat.

uxcolumbo 8y ago

Try the beyondmeat chicken strips [0] And here's a hat tip for wanting to give up meat! [0] https://beyondmeat.com/products https://beyondmeat.com/products

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
Not really on-topic, but Beyond Meat makes a line of sausages including a bratwurst. This is important to me because I live in Wisconsin and haven't had a brat since becoming a vegetarian as nobody has made a vegetarian version since Boca cancelled theirs. Problem is, the damned things are so popular there's a huge shortage of them.
- uxcolumbo 8y ago
  Yep - their products are selling like hot cakes at Wholefoods in LA too. It's great to see people making better choices. Ethan Brown is a great entrepreneur with a great mission. Hope prices will come down and they can scale it, so more people can get their products.

soared 8y ago

Another meaning behind OP's comment might be that you can eat food that is equally as tasty as meat, without eating meat or meat replacements. Obviously this wouldn't work for 50+ years since we're all entrenched in eating meat, but vegetarian dishes /can be/ just as tasty. I'd imagine hundreds of years of improving mostly meat dishes has made them better, but that could be fixed.

emodendroket 8y ago
If you're going to eat vegetarian, there are some cuisines, like Indian, that give you more good options.
lancesells 8y ago
I had to start eating vegan for health reasons. I thought it would be fairly difficult to stick to but I've found it easy finding foods as tasty as meat or dairy dishes without resorting to soy products that mimic meat. There's good stuff out there and garlic, salt, and olive oil do wonders!

komali2 8y ago

I hate to be a downer but that impossible burger tasted like fried flaxseed to me. Nothing meaty about it at all. I think the best route for global veganism will be vat-grown meat. I haven't had a chance to taste any but it seems the most logical route - why grow the animal when you can just grow the muscle tissue? After the process is made efficient it should be cheaper for ranchers, better for the environment, no animals have to die, tastes the same... Win/win/win/win

detritus 8y ago
Afaik, vat-grown muscle tissue is the comparatively easy bit but also the not particularly tasty bit. Fat and the quality of its integration is where the problem of a decent 'ethical synthetical' meat is concerned. But I'll be right behind you in the queue when we get there. I've always been a bit of a carnivore, but the older I get, the worse I feel about eating animals, especially mammals.

veridies 8y ago

If you live in the bay area, go to Berkeley when you have some time, to the vegan deli The Butcher's Son, and try their buffalo chicken sandwich. It's fantastic.

cannonedhamster 8y ago

Chicken is significantly easier than beef to make mock analogues. Quorn, tofurkey, lightlife, and all kinds of other companies make very convincing turkey and chicken. Impossible seems to be the only real beef analogue that's semi-enjoyed by meat eaters. I haven't found many long term vegans/vegetarians that like it. I personally didn't find it fulfilling.

ericdykstra 8y ago

I'm not at all interested in eating a "burger" made using the same techniques as junk food. It's just trash made in a way to trick your brain into thinking it's getting real nutrition by faking textures and flavors a la Doritos and other processed foods. No thanks. edit: I'd prefer a response to downvotes. Companies like Kraft, Frito-Lay, and Post have had "food scientists" whose main job have been tricking people into thinking absolute garbage is tasty for years. The results is an obesity crisis and tongues that are too confused to guide us to decent nutrition any more.

uxcolumbo 8y ago
Agreed. Junk food should be avoided and making people aware of this should be a priority, as the health costs are just too high. Junk food should have labels on them - just like cigarette packets have in Europe. But of course that's not going to happen. If the impossible burger and the likes is not for you, why not try other meat free recipes that are equally tasty, if it means not oppressing and inflicting pain and suffering on to other sentient beings?
- ericdykstra 8y ago
  I don’t have any moral problem with the relationship humans have with farm animals. It’s a symbiotic relationship in which the animal gets shelter, regular food, and protection from predators as well as guaranteed reproductive success (at the species level, if not the individial) in exchange for its meat at the end of the process. Cows and chickens are the most successful mammals and birds on earth. I don’t try to project human emotions on to animals; there is no way evidence animals have any objection to what you call “oppression” or that they object to what you call “pain and suffering.” Quite the opposite, I would say this is the evolutionary path they chose. To your other point, the top 10 dishes I’ve ever had in my life were animals, and pan-frying a nice steak or pork loin along with eggs is a combination full of nutrition that I have never grown tired of.
  - uxcolumbo 8y ago
    Thanks for sharing your view. I'm interested in what led to this conclusion - maybe you grew up around farm animals that were able to have a happy existence most of their life and the farmers did everything to create this 'sheltered' environment for them and only at the end the animal had to suffer (killed). However, I'm not sure you looked into how the majority of the meat we consume is being produced. If not, please review the videos below [0]. I'm curious to find out your thoughts on that - how that couldn't be described as oppressing and enslaving other species. Alex Hershaft - Holocaust survivor - certainly thinks so and draws comparisons to concentration camps and founded 'Farm' after escaped Nazi Germany. > there is no way evidence animals have any objection to what you call “oppression” or that they object to what you call “pain and suffering.” Do you have pets - a dog or a cat? If so, try to cut them with a knife and let me know what how they react. Anyway, no need to carry out this experiment - there is enough evidence that animals actively try to avoid pain. Why else are they screaming when they experience pain? Why else are animals being used in pain research? Maybe you think a pig can't be compared to a dog or cat. Pigs intelligence level has been compared to a young human child and piglets have passed the mirror test. Even fish feel pain [1] >Quite the opposite, I would say this is the evolutionary path they chose. How did they choose this path? We are breeding these animals into existence and there is no natural reproduction. Cows for example are forcibly impregnated on what is sometimes called rape racks - you can find these videos on youtube. There is nothing natural or evolutionary about this. Anyway, let me know after reviewing all this information and after doing your own research - whether you still think it's OK for us humans to continue and support the large scale meat industry. Whether you think it's OK to inflict pain on sentient beings that can experience pain - just so we can derive pleasure from them by consuming their flesh. [0] Reality of large scale meat production Meet your Meat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RX88IGJ35g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RX88IGJ35g Earthlings https://vimeo.com/209647801 https://vimeo.com/209647801 [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain...

patejam 8y ago

While I'm also excited about fake meat, the impossible burger isn't close. Impossible tastes as if you took low quality meat, pureed it, took all the fat out, made it into a patty, and then froze it. Sure, you could trick me into thinking its real meat, but not high quality meat. And of course, this is completely different than creating a steak or something.

uxcolumbo 8y ago
We eat meat because it brings us pleasure. Nutrionally we can live without it [0]. So here are our options: 1) Eat real meat and derive pleasure from it, but at the cost of having to make animals suffer, having to kill them and getting food that's quite energy intensive and destructive to the environment and destructive to the people having to work in that industry (factory farming) 2) Hunt and kill animals yourself or raise and kill them yourself - ensuring they (hopefully) had a good life (but still questionable from an ethics point of view whether it's right to kill an animal when you don't need to, to survive). 3) Eat fake meat that's close to the real thing, but no animals have to suffer or die. In the future it will be as good or better than the real thing [1] 4) Explore so many meat free recipes that can equally bring us pleasure and slowly change our habits and tastebuds that are better for the planet. Option 2 is better than option 1 - but most people couldn't do it and also with option 2 we couldn't feed the world - so to me the future is based on option 3 and 4, i.e. plant based. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 [1] When fake super meat is better than the real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpQl9V9yoA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpQl9V9yoA Edit: typo
- noobermin 8y ago
  I find the end of (4) an argument from other leftists who are vegan really really suspect. It's blaming consumers for the conditions the system created rather than blaming producers who are actually in power. It has a similar flavor to preaching the 3R's and buying expensive hybrid cars when heavy industries and refineries contribute the most to climate change. We aren't going to fix climate change (or any systemic problem) by tugging on the heart strings of a few people who might be influenced by an idea especially when it is at odds with one's material context.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

I haven't tried the Impossible Burger as, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't exist within a 50 mile radius of where I live, but Beyond Meat's Beyond Burger is pretty great too.