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Why is this even a news on HN ? All governments including USA denies visa to foreigners for political reasons. I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief mi

Why is this even a news on HN ? All governments including USA denies visa to foreigners for political reasons. I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief minister in past because of lobbying by evangelists and Islamist. It might come as a surprise by American journalists are not entitled for a visa from China and I wish more countries would crackdown on click-bate rags like Buzzfeed.

Analemma_ 8y ago
> I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief minister in past because of lobbying by evangelists and Islamist. This is whataboutism. You might be suprised to learn that I can and do oppose both. > click-bate rags like Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed's business model is to use the stupid memes and "Which Disney princess are you?" polls to subsidize serious investigative journalism and not have to keep it behind a paywall. You can agree or disagree with this choice, but it's an interesting alternative to requiring a subscription and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. The article in question, https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/the-police-state-of-the-future-is-already-here https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/the-police-stat..., is not "clickbait" in any sense: it is well-researched, well-written, and informative.
- oathbreaker 8y ago
  Irrelevant. Let us assume Buzzfeed is a paragon of journalistic virtue. Still does not mean the journalist deserves a Chinese visa. It is a privilege and not a right. Pretty much how a US visa is a privilege and not a right. Americans outraging that their journalist was denied is nothing but very imperialistic attitude.
thrillgore 8y ago
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division
danso 8y ago
Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. It's a bit bizarre to me why you're calling Buzzfeed a "click-bate [sic]" rag when we're talking about a journalist who had just published an investigative story about the Chinese police state involving Uyghurs.
- InitialLastName 8y ago
  I can understand calling Buzzfeed clickbait; "XX Best ways to N: number 6 will blow your mind" used to be their bread and butter. Even now, the #2 story on their website is "29 things that'll genuinely make people say 'OMG I love your outfit'". It took me a long time after their move towards occasionally funding "real" journalism before I was willing to even click a link to their URL.
  - TimothyBJacobs 8y ago
    Buzzfeed clickbait is not the same as Buzzfeed News.
    - InitialLastName 8y ago
      Sure, but even looking at the two sites now I'm not sure I can see much difference in content quality.
- oathbreaker 8y ago
  > Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. So what ? They are not entitled to a Chinese visa.
  - danso 8y ago
    The argument here is not one of entitlement.
fosco 8y ago
see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17820654 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17820654

Analemma_ 8y ago

> I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief minister in past because of lobbying by evangelists and Islamist. This is whataboutism. You might be suprised to learn that I can and do oppose both. > click-bate rags like Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed's business model is to use the stupid memes and "Which Disney princess are you?" polls to subsidize serious investigative journalism and not have to keep it behind a paywall. You can agree or disagree with this choice, but it's an interesting alternative to requiring a subscription and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. The article in question, https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/the-police-state-of-the-future-is-already-here https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/the-police-stat..., is not "clickbait" in any sense: it is well-researched, well-written, and informative.

oathbreaker 8y ago
Irrelevant. Let us assume Buzzfeed is a paragon of journalistic virtue. Still does not mean the journalist deserves a Chinese visa. It is a privilege and not a right. Pretty much how a US visa is a privilege and not a right. Americans outraging that their journalist was denied is nothing but very imperialistic attitude.

thrillgore 8y ago

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

danso 8y ago

Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. It's a bit bizarre to me why you're calling Buzzfeed a "click-bate [sic]" rag when we're talking about a journalist who had just published an investigative story about the Chinese police state involving Uyghurs.

InitialLastName 8y ago
I can understand calling Buzzfeed clickbait; "XX Best ways to N: number 6 will blow your mind" used to be their bread and butter. Even now, the #2 story on their website is "29 things that'll genuinely make people say 'OMG I love your outfit'". It took me a long time after their move towards occasionally funding "real" journalism before I was willing to even click a link to their URL.
- TimothyBJacobs 8y ago
  Buzzfeed clickbait is not the same as Buzzfeed News.
  - InitialLastName 8y ago
    Sure, but even looking at the two sites now I'm not sure I can see much difference in content quality.
oathbreaker 8y ago
> Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. So what ? They are not entitled to a Chinese visa.
- danso 8y ago
  The argument here is not one of entitlement.

fosco 8y ago

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17820654 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17820654