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> Addenda (relevant to community musings today): [...] Awful and abusive people exist in the community Are you referring to people saying negative things about

> Addenda (relevant to community musings today): [...] Awful and abusive people exist in the community Are you referring to people saying negative things about Learn You A Haskell?

CJefferson 8y ago
No, they are (unfortunately) referring to a (small but vocal) group of people who seem to get enjoyment out of insulting, upsetting and demeaning other people, particularly beginners.
KirinDave 8y ago
No. I'm referring to people like Tony Morris. There are more folks I could name, but I think they're less obvious. Scala's community essentially began to adopt a thinly-coded code of conduct that said, "Don't be like Tony Morris he literally runs people out of the scala community" it got so bad. He continues to be unrepentant and uses his influence to fan a slow but very distressing conflict between the Cabal community and the Stack developer community. As for LYAH, it's a decent book. It's got its problems (in some cases it does obnoxious and useless things like make fun of overweight people).
- raffael-vogler 8y ago
  https://twitter.com/dibblego/status/1032041025240358912 https://twitter.com/dibblego/status/1032041025240358912 What's his (Tony Morris') point? Is he putting on a show or is that for real?
  - KirinDave 8y ago
    He's always like this. He may be physically incapable of accepting censure. He blocked me when he read my prior comment.
    - hood_syntax 8y ago
      The guy has serious issues, I was shocked at how toxic he gets at the drop of a hat. I was browsing a discussion on the Haskell subreddit and he was incredibly nasty, literally zero good faith given or assumed of others. Technical opinions aside, I would never want him involved with a project I'm participating in. He fails the only rule I care about: don't be an asshole.
- ad_hominem 8y ago
  I don't have any personal knowledge of it but I've heard that the code of conduct you're referencing was actually created and weaponized by certain sociopath-types to eject Tony from his own open source library in a hostile takeover. And not that it excuses his behavior, but I also seem to recall Tony suffering from some very severe back injuries accompanied by chronic pain. (Not to white knight a person I'm barely aware of but your description seems pretty one-sided based on what I've seen)
  - NickPollard 8y ago
    Absolutely not. The code of conduct was created to help produce a welcoming and supportive community, and if Tony being kicked out for being neither welcoming nor supportive counts as 'weaponizing', then that's a very strange view. I've met many of the people who were involved in this and they are amongst the nicest, friendliest, accepting people you could meet, and about as far from 'sociopath' as you can imagine. This idea of a hostile takeover and such is a figment of Tony's imagination and a deliberate distraction equivalent to Trump's referring to the Mueller investigation as a witch hunt.
    - ad_hominem 8y ago
      I haven't met any of the people involved but I recall other folks saying the CoC was being used inappropriately https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/519887926327390209 https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/519887926327390209
      - KirinDave 8y ago
        We're actually conflating two separate but correlated events here, as a few folks in that thread have later acknowledged. Most folks agree that Tony should be off the project. The problem of one overzealous person trying to get Tony to shut up is a separate and regrettable decision on his part. CoCs act to protect people from behavior like Tony's, not to be a cudgel. AFAIK, it's faced subsequent edits to improve that. It's unfortunate that Tony's become so incapable of modulating his behavior in public that he forces these issues. It's doubly regrettable that folks associated with the same projects he has contributed to could not handle the unusual situation with more grace and poise.

> Addenda (relevant to community musings today): [...] Awful and abusive people exist in the community Are you referring to people saying negative things about Learn You A Haskell?

CJefferson 8y ago

No, they are (unfortunately) referring to a (small but vocal) group of people who seem to get enjoyment out of insulting, upsetting and demeaning other people, particularly beginners.

KirinDave 8y ago

No. I'm referring to people like Tony Morris. There are more folks I could name, but I think they're less obvious. Scala's community essentially began to adopt a thinly-coded code of conduct that said, "Don't be like Tony Morris he literally runs people out of the scala community" it got so bad. He continues to be unrepentant and uses his influence to fan a slow but very distressing conflict between the Cabal community and the Stack developer community. As for LYAH, it's a decent book. It's got its problems (in some cases it does obnoxious and useless things like make fun of overweight people).

raffael-vogler 8y ago
https://twitter.com/dibblego/status/1032041025240358912 https://twitter.com/dibblego/status/1032041025240358912 What's his (Tony Morris') point? Is he putting on a show or is that for real?
- KirinDave 8y ago
  He's always like this. He may be physically incapable of accepting censure. He blocked me when he read my prior comment.
  - hood_syntax 8y ago
    The guy has serious issues, I was shocked at how toxic he gets at the drop of a hat. I was browsing a discussion on the Haskell subreddit and he was incredibly nasty, literally zero good faith given or assumed of others. Technical opinions aside, I would never want him involved with a project I'm participating in. He fails the only rule I care about: don't be an asshole.
ad_hominem 8y ago
I don't have any personal knowledge of it but I've heard that the code of conduct you're referencing was actually created and weaponized by certain sociopath-types to eject Tony from his own open source library in a hostile takeover. And not that it excuses his behavior, but I also seem to recall Tony suffering from some very severe back injuries accompanied by chronic pain. (Not to white knight a person I'm barely aware of but your description seems pretty one-sided based on what I've seen)
- NickPollard 8y ago
  Absolutely not. The code of conduct was created to help produce a welcoming and supportive community, and if Tony being kicked out for being neither welcoming nor supportive counts as 'weaponizing', then that's a very strange view. I've met many of the people who were involved in this and they are amongst the nicest, friendliest, accepting people you could meet, and about as far from 'sociopath' as you can imagine. This idea of a hostile takeover and such is a figment of Tony's imagination and a deliberate distraction equivalent to Trump's referring to the Mueller investigation as a witch hunt.
  - ad_hominem 8y ago
    I haven't met any of the people involved but I recall other folks saying the CoC was being used inappropriately https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/519887926327390209 https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/519887926327390209
    - KirinDave 8y ago
      We're actually conflating two separate but correlated events here, as a few folks in that thread have later acknowledged. Most folks agree that Tony should be off the project. The problem of one overzealous person trying to get Tony to shut up is a separate and regrettable decision on his part. CoCs act to protect people from behavior like Tony's, not to be a cudgel. AFAIK, it's faced subsequent edits to improve that. It's unfortunate that Tony's become so incapable of modulating his behavior in public that he forces these issues. It's doubly regrettable that folks associated with the same projects he has contributed to could not handle the unusual situation with more grace and poise.