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Microsoft has not stopped spying, even now. They will likely be emboldened by their competitors exposure. Slowly boiling us all.

close04 8y ago
Nice way of missing the point. I don't expect MS will ever stop. There's no incentive, people already proved that there's no treatment so bad that they will put their foot down and demand a change. Google opened the way for collecting massive amounts of data by any means possible (including and not limited to tricking the user into thinking they aren't). And people seem pretty at ease with this, comparatively few are as angered by the revelations these days as they were about MS's relatively harmless telemetry. So going back, at some point you'll miss the times when you thought MS collecting data about your hardware and drivers was "the evilest evil".
- fartcannon 8y ago
  It might just be me, but I believe most people thought Google was a worse violator prior to Windows 10. Some (probably naive) people used to think Windows was the last bastion of non-Linux hope.
  - close04 8y ago
    Not really. MS has (had) a very crappy image that they worked really hard to build during the early 2000s. That reputation stuck. And it doesn't help that most people are ignorant and are always willing to ignore an informed opinion over one that sounds cool. MS and Windows 10 are still far behind Google in the data collection game. Especially since they put that privacy wizard front and center at the first setup. But as I said, every second you spend defending Google and throwing shade at MS because it feels like the cool thing to do, Google adds another data collection item in their policy, hides yet another setting under 5 layers of options, and tricks you again into thinking that toggling a switch to off actually disables it. It's not like they did exactly that for 10 years now to the point where they are by far the largest private data collection effort in the history of man kind. And yes, I'm sure MS will follow suit. Why not? Google seems to be doing just fine.
    - fartcannon 8y ago
      You don't need to convince me! I think Microsoft is just as evil as Google and vice versa! Microsoft did their best to ruin personal computers and Google continues to try to ruin cell phones. Luckily, in both cases, free/open source software exists to fix both PC's and (some) cellphones!
- bitmapbrother 8y ago
  It would seem that you're the one missing the point. Microsoft was the very first company to sign up with the NSA way back in 2007. So when it comes to the mass collection of user data and spying - Microsoft is a pioneer in the field.

close04 8y ago

Nice way of missing the point. I don't expect MS will ever stop. There's no incentive, people already proved that there's no treatment so bad that they will put their foot down and demand a change. Google opened the way for collecting massive amounts of data by any means possible (including and not limited to tricking the user into thinking they aren't). And people seem pretty at ease with this, comparatively few are as angered by the revelations these days as they were about MS's relatively harmless telemetry. So going back, at some point you'll miss the times when you thought MS collecting data about your hardware and drivers was "the evilest evil".

fartcannon 8y ago
It might just be me, but I believe most people thought Google was a worse violator prior to Windows 10. Some (probably naive) people used to think Windows was the last bastion of non-Linux hope.
- close04 8y ago
  Not really. MS has (had) a very crappy image that they worked really hard to build during the early 2000s. That reputation stuck. And it doesn't help that most people are ignorant and are always willing to ignore an informed opinion over one that sounds cool. MS and Windows 10 are still far behind Google in the data collection game. Especially since they put that privacy wizard front and center at the first setup. But as I said, every second you spend defending Google and throwing shade at MS because it feels like the cool thing to do, Google adds another data collection item in their policy, hides yet another setting under 5 layers of options, and tricks you again into thinking that toggling a switch to off actually disables it. It's not like they did exactly that for 10 years now to the point where they are by far the largest private data collection effort in the history of man kind. And yes, I'm sure MS will follow suit. Why not? Google seems to be doing just fine.
  - fartcannon 8y ago
    You don't need to convince me! I think Microsoft is just as evil as Google and vice versa! Microsoft did their best to ruin personal computers and Google continues to try to ruin cell phones. Luckily, in both cases, free/open source software exists to fix both PC's and (some) cellphones!
bitmapbrother 8y ago
It would seem that you're the one missing the point. Microsoft was the very first company to sign up with the NSA way back in 2007. So when it comes to the mass collection of user data and spying - Microsoft is a pioneer in the field.