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Fake news, according to the man himself: http://antirez.com/news/120 http://antirez.com/news/120 The whole thing is evidently not about Redis, but modules that

by fh973 8y ago

Fake news, according to the man himself: http://antirez.com/news/120 http://antirez.com/news/120 The whole thing is evidently not about Redis, but modules that were developed by Redis Labs.

Someone1234 8y ago
People need to stop using the term "fake news" it is more a meme at this point than constructive English. Even reading that statement and assuming the best intentions I can see why people would be upset/concerned. Redis has gone from Open Source to "Open Core" with some of the best modules now essentially paid for.
- paganel 8y ago
  > People need to stop using the term "fake news" it is more a meme at this point than constructive English. Just yesterday the most powerful politician from my country (a EU and NATO member) said during a live interview on prime-time TV that George Soros had sent 4 men in order to assassinate him last year (spoiler alert: they didn't succeed, even though they had been checked-in at the local Hilton hotel). His right-hand man had an interview the day before that saying that the KGB (yes, the Russian KGB) had tried to recruit him (spoiler alert: apparently the Russians didn't succeed). All I want to say is that "fake news" is indeed a live and active concept, just trying to hide it under the rug won't bring back the former, saner times.
  - JackFr 8y ago
    I think you miss the point . Call a lie a lie, and don't trivialize it with the cute meme of the day.
    - paganel 8y ago
      > cute meme of the day. I don't think I'm missing anything, I'm afraid "fake news" is here to stay, is what propaganda was back in the 1920s and '30s. Calling it a "lie" means that the person saying the lie and those "receiving" it would change their views once the lie is "exposed", but under the current media and political climate I'm afraid that won't happen anymore, i.e. people will keep believing the "fake news" no matter if it would get "exposed" or not.
  - geofft 8y ago
    But that's not "fake news." That's a politician lying. No journalists were involved. And there were no former, saner times when politicians did not lie.
    - paganel 8y ago
      Both journalists who took those interviews were definitely involved, as in they didn't call out the bullsh*t.
falcolas 8y ago
That presumes that functionality of Redis is not subsequently moved into modules, and that new functionality is not only done in modules. The current development path does seem to favor modules - a slim core with the functionality added as modules.
- marcinzm 8y ago
  Reminds me of Databricks, the company founded by the Apache Spark creators. More and more of what they do is fully proprietary and at least one their previously OSS module is now proprietary (Redshift integration). They also boast of how much faster their cloud offering (running on top of AWS) is than other Spark cloud versions (running on top of AWS) which makes me suspect there's performance improvements that they're not open sourcing.
  - rectang 8y ago
    Since Spark is a project at Apache, though, if someone wants to contribute a Redshift integration module to Spark, no one cannot stop them. Projects at the ASF are governed by a Project Management Committee drawn from the wider community -- not a single company, not a steering committee where seats are bought. The ASF is a 501(c)(3) charity, which means that monetary contributions are tax-deductible and therefore very limited in what they can be used for. The ASF cannot unduly privilege any particular commercial entity. Credit to companies, like Databricks, who choose to participate in ASF projects under these constraints.
vertere 8y ago
Seems like a good case study in poor communication then. It doesn't excuse people spreading misinformation without a decent attempt to ascertain the facts, but it seems Redis Labs mainly have themselves to blame. Their page [0] starts out: "Initiated by a coalition of top infrastructure software companies to protect their rights...". So they're trying to make it sound like a Big Deal, and beyond just for Redis. Then later we hear 'oh it's just relicensing a couple of non-core modules, what are you all carrying on about?' Even now it's not clear to me (not being particularly familiar with Redis) what direction things are changing in. shakes head Edit: Oh, and the confusing name. Why is it called "Commons Clause"? [0] https://redislabs.com/community/commons-clause/ https://redislabs.com/community/commons-clause/
- sqrt17 8y ago
  > Oh, and the confusing name. Why is it called "Commons Clause"? Exactly. What is in effect crossing the boundary between open source and shared source (as Microsoft called the first source release of the .Netruntime) is made to sound like an afterthought. So, instead of AGPL (widely recognized as off-limits for corporate users), you could claim it's "Apache plus Commons Clause" which sounds nice as long as you squint really hard. It's ok to put software under a BSD-inspired or Apache-inspired noncommercial-only license - in fact plenty of people are doing this already - but it's disingenuous to use the name of the open source license you took inspiration from in the hope to profit from the open source halo for non-open-source software.

by fh973 8y ago

Fake news, according to the man himself: http://antirez.com/news/120 http://antirez.com/news/120 The whole thing is evidently not about Redis, but modules that were developed by Redis Labs.

Someone1234 8y ago

People need to stop using the term "fake news" it is more a meme at this point than constructive English. Even reading that statement and assuming the best intentions I can see why people would be upset/concerned. Redis has gone from Open Source to "Open Core" with some of the best modules now essentially paid for.

paganel 8y ago
> People need to stop using the term "fake news" it is more a meme at this point than constructive English. Just yesterday the most powerful politician from my country (a EU and NATO member) said during a live interview on prime-time TV that George Soros had sent 4 men in order to assassinate him last year (spoiler alert: they didn't succeed, even though they had been checked-in at the local Hilton hotel). His right-hand man had an interview the day before that saying that the KGB (yes, the Russian KGB) had tried to recruit him (spoiler alert: apparently the Russians didn't succeed). All I want to say is that "fake news" is indeed a live and active concept, just trying to hide it under the rug won't bring back the former, saner times.
- JackFr 8y ago
  I think you miss the point . Call a lie a lie, and don't trivialize it with the cute meme of the day.
  - paganel 8y ago
    > cute meme of the day. I don't think I'm missing anything, I'm afraid "fake news" is here to stay, is what propaganda was back in the 1920s and '30s. Calling it a "lie" means that the person saying the lie and those "receiving" it would change their views once the lie is "exposed", but under the current media and political climate I'm afraid that won't happen anymore, i.e. people will keep believing the "fake news" no matter if it would get "exposed" or not.
- geofft 8y ago
  But that's not "fake news." That's a politician lying. No journalists were involved. And there were no former, saner times when politicians did not lie.
  - paganel 8y ago
    Both journalists who took those interviews were definitely involved, as in they didn't call out the bullsh*t.

falcolas 8y ago

That presumes that functionality of Redis is not subsequently moved into modules, and that new functionality is not only done in modules. The current development path does seem to favor modules - a slim core with the functionality added as modules.

marcinzm 8y ago
Reminds me of Databricks, the company founded by the Apache Spark creators. More and more of what they do is fully proprietary and at least one their previously OSS module is now proprietary (Redshift integration). They also boast of how much faster their cloud offering (running on top of AWS) is than other Spark cloud versions (running on top of AWS) which makes me suspect there's performance improvements that they're not open sourcing.
- rectang 8y ago
  Since Spark is a project at Apache, though, if someone wants to contribute a Redshift integration module to Spark, no one cannot stop them. Projects at the ASF are governed by a Project Management Committee drawn from the wider community -- not a single company, not a steering committee where seats are bought. The ASF is a 501(c)(3) charity, which means that monetary contributions are tax-deductible and therefore very limited in what they can be used for. The ASF cannot unduly privilege any particular commercial entity. Credit to companies, like Databricks, who choose to participate in ASF projects under these constraints.

vertere 8y ago

Seems like a good case study in poor communication then. It doesn't excuse people spreading misinformation without a decent attempt to ascertain the facts, but it seems Redis Labs mainly have themselves to blame. Their page [0] starts out: "Initiated by a coalition of top infrastructure software companies to protect their rights...". So they're trying to make it sound like a Big Deal, and beyond just for Redis. Then later we hear 'oh it's just relicensing a couple of non-core modules, what are you all carrying on about?' Even now it's not clear to me (not being particularly familiar with Redis) what direction things are changing in. shakes head Edit: Oh, and the confusing name. Why is it called "Commons Clause"? [0] https://redislabs.com/community/commons-clause/ https://redislabs.com/community/commons-clause/

sqrt17 8y ago
> Oh, and the confusing name. Why is it called "Commons Clause"? Exactly. What is in effect crossing the boundary between open source and shared source (as Microsoft called the first source release of the .Netruntime) is made to sound like an afterthought. So, instead of AGPL (widely recognized as off-limits for corporate users), you could claim it's "Apache plus Commons Clause" which sounds nice as long as you squint really hard. It's ok to put software under a BSD-inspired or Apache-inspired noncommercial-only license - in fact plenty of people are doing this already - but it's disingenuous to use the name of the open source license you took inspiration from in the hope to profit from the open source halo for non-open-source software.