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This seems aimed at cloud hosting provider that currently get the tech for free. Makes sense in a way.

by tschellenbach 8y ago

mbrumlow 8y ago
Yeah, but its not like they are "getting it for free". It is a ecosystem, and cloud providers have provided many nice things back to the ecosystems. Including jobs to many prominent OSS developers. Not to mention cloud providers do the most important sort of work on any project. That is running it reporting bugs and often submitting patches to those bugs. Larger cloud providers even hire people for the sole purpose to work on said OSS projects simply to improve them.
- zepolen 8y ago
  I get what you're saying but Redis found popularity way before clouds started offering it. Clouds later further contribute (and profit) to the ecosystem, but make no mistake they didn't help create or spend any resources for that ecosystem. Redis is probably the number one kv store atm, not sure what the number two is, and for sure no clouds are offering it right now; but if this licensing thing goes sour with the community - you can be sure that a) a fork will happen or the number two will gain popularity b) that replacement once enough customers ask for it will get added to the clouds c) the clouds again - with no initial investment will derive value Basically the moral of the story is, be a cloud provider.
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    I disagreed, partly on the what makes the "ecosystem". While Redis has its own micro ecosystem it is NOT the entire ecosystem. While there may not have been direct exchanges on the level you described Redis did benefit from having the larger ecosystem to work within. Does the fox owe the worm for the fish it had for dinner because the fish had the worm for lunch? Basically you can't isolate yourself from the entire ecosystem and cry foal. When you fail to see the benefit.

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This seems aimed at cloud hosting provider that currently get the tech for free. Makes sense in a way.

by tschellenbach 8y ago

This seems aimed at cloud hosting provider that currently get the tech for free. Makes sense in a way.

mbrumlow 8y ago
Yeah, but its not like they are "getting it for free". It is a ecosystem, and cloud providers have provided many nice things back to the ecosystems. Including jobs to many prominent OSS developers. Not to mention cloud providers do the most important sort of work on any project. That is running it reporting bugs and often submitting patches to those bugs. Larger cloud providers even hire people for the sole purpose to work on said OSS projects simply to improve them.
- zepolen 8y ago
  I get what you're saying but Redis found popularity way before clouds started offering it. Clouds later further contribute (and profit) to the ecosystem, but make no mistake they didn't help create or spend any resources for that ecosystem. Redis is probably the number one kv store atm, not sure what the number two is, and for sure no clouds are offering it right now; but if this licensing thing goes sour with the community - you can be sure that a) a fork will happen or the number two will gain popularity b) that replacement once enough customers ask for it will get added to the clouds c) the clouds again - with no initial investment will derive value Basically the moral of the story is, be a cloud provider.
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    I disagreed, partly on the what makes the "ecosystem". While Redis has its own micro ecosystem it is NOT the entire ecosystem. While there may not have been direct exchanges on the level you described Redis did benefit from having the larger ecosystem to work within. Does the fox owe the worm for the fish it had for dinner because the fish had the worm for lunch? Basically you can't isolate yourself from the entire ecosystem and cry foal. When you fail to see the benefit.