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To each child rapist a pony, to each law abiding productive citizen, a lump of coal. Seems reasonable to me.

by microcolonel 8y ago

fipple 8y ago
Child rapists shouldn’t ever be let out of jail, so it’s irrelevant what happens to them there.
- microcolonel 8y ago
  > Child rapists shouldn’t ever be let out of jail Possibly unfortunately (though it's not that simple, as prosecutors, being human, still err), the legislature disagrees with you. With personal experience in a proceeding of a charge like this, I assure you child rapists are usually let out of jail before murderers.
  - gremlinsinc 8y ago
    Make them a eunich (surgically remove balls/testicles/penis/leave a catheter to pee out of), and a life-time ankle bracelet, and a brand on their forehead saying they're a child molester. This way they still suffer for life, and people know to steer clear, but they don't cost $$ to keep in prison. Win/Win.
  - solveit 8y ago
    >child rapists are usually let out of jail before murderers. And for damn good reason. If murder carries a shorter sentence than raping a child, well guess how a rapist might make sure their victim never testifies.
    - microcolonel 8y ago
      Murderers aren't in prison forever, so sentences shorter than murder sentences don't last forever either, is my point.
  - fipple 8y ago
    Murders should get the needle, child rapists a life sentence.
ckocagil 8y ago
I'll leave a video that might change the way you think about the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdgPnYyj64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdgPnYyj64
- microcolonel 8y ago
  Bizarre records errors causing absurd outcomes should not be grounds to change prison policy except as it regards improvements to records keeping.
  - ckocagil 8y ago
    Then it's too bad that this bizarre record error can be seen by taking a plane to Oslo.
KirinDave 8y ago
I know I'm going to deeply regret asking, but I'm morbidly curious why you think this rhetorical strategy is relevant and meaningful. If the only people going to prison were rapists, we wouldn't have the largest prison population in the developed world as an absolute and a percentage of our population.
- microcolonel 8y ago
  > If the only people going to prison were rapists, we wouldn't have the largest prison population in the developed world as an absolute and a percentage of our population. That's not the point though, it's that no distinction is being drawn here. We already put a considerable effort into predicting recidivism, but people in this thread seem to assume that the majority, or all prisoners warrant an expensive supported release, despite the obvious likelihood that a certain number are virtually guaranteed to want to reoffend, and would use any resources they're given to do so. As much as anyone, I am against the excessive policies which force fine people into a lifetime of criminality. However that problem can not be solved with release policy, it has to be solved in criminal law. New Yorkers, don't seem to bring issues like their ridiculous knife laws (which frequently target innocent people who use folding knives at work; knives which are sold openly in major cities) to the ballot; many states chock full of people who complain about excess imprisonment don't vote on issues surrounding the policies and law which make soft recreational drugs an underground criminal enterprise, and produce unexpected black markets in services like hair styling. Ironically, the people who complain about the prison population most vocally, are frequently the same people who say "there ought to be a law!" whenever the slightest issue arises in public life.

To each child rapist a pony, to each law abiding productive citizen, a lump of coal. Seems reasonable to me.

fipple 8y ago

Child rapists shouldn’t ever be let out of jail, so it’s irrelevant what happens to them there.

microcolonel 8y ago
> Child rapists shouldn’t ever be let out of jail Possibly unfortunately (though it's not that simple, as prosecutors, being human, still err), the legislature disagrees with you. With personal experience in a proceeding of a charge like this, I assure you child rapists are usually let out of jail before murderers.
- gremlinsinc 8y ago
  Make them a eunich (surgically remove balls/testicles/penis/leave a catheter to pee out of), and a life-time ankle bracelet, and a brand on their forehead saying they're a child molester. This way they still suffer for life, and people know to steer clear, but they don't cost $$ to keep in prison. Win/Win.
- solveit 8y ago
  >child rapists are usually let out of jail before murderers. And for damn good reason. If murder carries a shorter sentence than raping a child, well guess how a rapist might make sure their victim never testifies.
  - microcolonel 8y ago
    Murderers aren't in prison forever, so sentences shorter than murder sentences don't last forever either, is my point.
- fipple 8y ago
  Murders should get the needle, child rapists a life sentence.

ckocagil 8y ago

I'll leave a video that might change the way you think about the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdgPnYyj64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxdgPnYyj64

microcolonel 8y ago
Bizarre records errors causing absurd outcomes should not be grounds to change prison policy except as it regards improvements to records keeping.
- ckocagil 8y ago
  Then it's too bad that this bizarre record error can be seen by taking a plane to Oslo.

KirinDave 8y ago

I know I'm going to deeply regret asking, but I'm morbidly curious why you think this rhetorical strategy is relevant and meaningful. If the only people going to prison were rapists, we wouldn't have the largest prison population in the developed world as an absolute and a percentage of our population.

microcolonel 8y ago
> If the only people going to prison were rapists, we wouldn't have the largest prison population in the developed world as an absolute and a percentage of our population. That's not the point though, it's that no distinction is being drawn here. We already put a considerable effort into predicting recidivism, but people in this thread seem to assume that the majority, or all prisoners warrant an expensive supported release, despite the obvious likelihood that a certain number are virtually guaranteed to want to reoffend, and would use any resources they're given to do so. As much as anyone, I am against the excessive policies which force fine people into a lifetime of criminality. However that problem can not be solved with release policy, it has to be solved in criminal law. New Yorkers, don't seem to bring issues like their ridiculous knife laws (which frequently target innocent people who use folding knives at work; knives which are sold openly in major cities) to the ballot; many states chock full of people who complain about excess imprisonment don't vote on issues surrounding the policies and law which make soft recreational drugs an underground criminal enterprise, and produce unexpected black markets in services like hair styling. Ironically, the people who complain about the prison population most vocally, are frequently the same people who say "there ought to be a law!" whenever the slightest issue arises in public life.