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So your definition of labor refers only to, for lack of a better term, "work" done in a business relationship? Then I don't think it really applies to this sit

by uxp100 8y ago

So your definition of labor refers only to, for lack of a better term, "work" done in a business relationship? Then I don't think it really applies to this situation, since just as familial relations are superseding "business" relations in your example, certainly the prison relations change the nature of the business relations drastically. But I think this is certainly labor, but the distinction between labor and chore is not so clear. I don't think it matters to the inmates, but I found it bizarre how confident HNers are that chores and labor are intrinsically different.

rosser 8y ago
I'm not 'vageli, but my definitions are that "labor" is a primarily economic form of activity, while "chores" aren't. Both of them involve "work", but the objectives — the reasons the people doing the work are doing it — aren't the same.
vageli 8y ago
I think it all comes down to how the words are typically used in everyday speech. Labor is typically associated with economic gain (or general economic activity) (or pregnancy) while chores generally aren't. I know I often hear people use the word chore when talking about errands or tasks they must perform for which they won't be compensated directly by another party (like taking out the trash as a chore). I think we started off on the wrong foot with the comparison. Even government recognizes some difference between chores and labor, as childhood labor is illegal but it's not illegal to have your kids mow the law (afaik).
- uxp100 8y ago
  Yeah. It also like, putting away clothes was a childhood chore, but using a tractor to mow a field was also a childhood chore. I guess. It was something that had to be done anyway. Its really just an ever so tempting argument of semantics that is at this point distracting me from the real plight of prison laborers. But that's how the internet goes.

by uxp100 8y ago

rosser 8y ago

I'm not 'vageli, but my definitions are that "labor" is a primarily economic form of activity, while "chores" aren't. Both of them involve "work", but the objectives — the reasons the people doing the work are doing it — aren't the same.

vageli 8y ago

I think it all comes down to how the words are typically used in everyday speech. Labor is typically associated with economic gain (or general economic activity) (or pregnancy) while chores generally aren't. I know I often hear people use the word chore when talking about errands or tasks they must perform for which they won't be compensated directly by another party (like taking out the trash as a chore). I think we started off on the wrong foot with the comparison. Even government recognizes some difference between chores and labor, as childhood labor is illegal but it's not illegal to have your kids mow the law (afaik).

uxp100 8y ago
Yeah. It also like, putting away clothes was a childhood chore, but using a tractor to mow a field was also a childhood chore. I guess. It was something that had to be done anyway. Its really just an ever so tempting argument of semantics that is at this point distracting me from the real plight of prison laborers. But that's how the internet goes.