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Do you think they have janitors on their payroll on full time basis? I don't think so. Also, I know for a fact that NYC Dept of Ed outsources a lot of their IT

Do you think they have janitors on their payroll on full time basis? I don't think so. Also, I know for a fact that NYC Dept of Ed outsources a lot of their IT work. [I know because I contracted for a project for them and don't even get me started on how those projects were cost overruns.] To be honest, I don't know the breakdown of the 135k numbers. Could you please find the breakdown for me? Also, why is it so hard for me to find this information? Why can I not see a simple, easy to see employees and budget numbers. E.g. Teachers: 85,000 Officers : 30,000 IT Staff: 15,000 Others: 10,000. Total: 135,000 Expenses: Teachers Salary: 6200 million Other Salary: 3000 million Infrastructure: 5000 million Others: 4000 million Total: 18.5 Billion Total Budget Amount from http://schools.nyc.gov/AboutUs/funding/overview/default.htm http://schools.nyc.gov/AboutUs/funding/overview/default.htm I could not find that information anywhere. I would really appreciate if anyone can find that information for me OR give me some pointers about where I can find it. I think once everyone gets to see those numbers, they will change their mind about government spending. I am willing to spend my own personal time to find the breakdown of the numbers but I am not sure where I should start. And about WH Initiative, thank you for linking to that page. From the link to Budget on that page: They have a budget (http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget10/summary/edlite-section3e.html#titleIII http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget10/summary/ed...) of half a billion dollars with line items like: Strengthening Institutions: 80 million Strengthening Historically Black colleges and universities: 238 million Other line items... Total: 588 million. So the main initiative (Historically Black colleges and universities) takes up 40% (238 million out of 588 million) of the budget. Where does the other 60% go? Who approved it? And if certain colleges were 'historically' black, why do we have to spend 240 million in 2009 to strengthen them? And here's my biggest concern: How do you evaluate if you are getting worth for your 538 millions? There is no way you can evaluate how successful someone is at 'Strengthening' something, anything.

Anechoic 16y ago
Do you think they have janitors on their payroll on full time basis? All of them? Probably not. Some of them? I'd be shocked if they didn't - our much smaller urban school system certainly does, and they are up to the eyeballs in cleaning up messes. I'd presume that NYC's janitorial staff would be that much busier. Could you please find the breakdown for me? Here you go: https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2008_2009/function.asp https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2... And about WH Initiative, [..] Where does the other 60% go? The other line items - "Strengthening Alaska Native and Native Hawaiian-serving Institutions," "Strengthening Asian American and Native American Pacific Islander-serving Institutions," "Strengthening Native American-serving nontribal institutions," etc (summing up all those line items gives you $588.9 million) Who approved it? Presumably Congress. And if certain colleges were 'historically' black, why do we have to spend 240 million in 2009 to strengthen them? Huh? And here's my biggest concern: How do you evaluate if you are getting worth for your 538 millions? Having been on the ass-end of an FAR audit, I can guarantee they've found some metric to evaluate the results of the spending.
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  - Anechoic 16y ago
    ? That link is for system wide (there's also https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2008_2009/pdf/sys.pdf https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2... )
bgruber 16y ago
> Do you think they have janitors on their payroll on full time basis? I don't think so. Absolutely they do. Most (all?) schools in NYC have (at least) a full-time custodial engineer and a full-time janitor. And they do a heck of a lot more than mop the floor. >Why can I not see a simple, easy to see employees and budget numbers. Because the NYC Dept of Ed. is one of the largest and most complicated bureaucracies anywhere, simply by virtue of what it does. There are more students in the NYC public school system than there are people in almost every other major city in America. Add to this the fact that each principal has a fair amount of autonomy in how the school's budget is spent, and breaking out costs system wide becomes a much harder problem than it at first sounds. I would also point out that besides janitors, IT staff, etc, there are also a ton of staff who work directly with students but still aren't teachers: para-professionals, social workers, guidance counselors, the list goes on and on.

Anechoic 16y ago

Do you think they have janitors on their payroll on full time basis? All of them? Probably not. Some of them? I'd be shocked if they didn't - our much smaller urban school system certainly does, and they are up to the eyeballs in cleaning up messes. I'd presume that NYC's janitorial staff would be that much busier. Could you please find the breakdown for me? Here you go: https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2008_2009/function.asp https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2... And about WH Initiative, [..] Where does the other 60% go? The other line items - "Strengthening Alaska Native and Native Hawaiian-serving Institutions," "Strengthening Asian American and Native American Pacific Islander-serving Institutions," "Strengthening Native American-serving nontribal institutions," etc (summing up all those line items gives you $588.9 million) Who approved it? Presumably Congress. And if certain colleges were 'historically' black, why do we have to spend 240 million in 2009 to strengthen them? Huh? And here's my biggest concern: How do you evaluate if you are getting worth for your 538 millions? Having been on the ass-end of an FAR audit, I can guarantee they've found some metric to evaluate the results of the spending.

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- Anechoic 16y ago
  ? That link is for system wide (there's also https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2008_2009/pdf/sys.pdf https://www.nycenet.edu/offices/d_chanc_oper/budget/exp01/y2... )

bgruber 16y ago

> Do you think they have janitors on their payroll on full time basis? I don't think so. Absolutely they do. Most (all?) schools in NYC have (at least) a full-time custodial engineer and a full-time janitor. And they do a heck of a lot more than mop the floor. >Why can I not see a simple, easy to see employees and budget numbers. Because the NYC Dept of Ed. is one of the largest and most complicated bureaucracies anywhere, simply by virtue of what it does. There are more students in the NYC public school system than there are people in almost every other major city in America. Add to this the fact that each principal has a fair amount of autonomy in how the school's budget is spent, and breaking out costs system wide becomes a much harder problem than it at first sounds. I would also point out that besides janitors, IT staff, etc, there are also a ton of staff who work directly with students but still aren't teachers: para-professionals, social workers, guidance counselors, the list goes on and on.