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>Nobody should be in prison longer than their rehabilitation takes and the focus of their stay should 100% be rehabilitation That would be nice, but our curren

>Nobody should be in prison longer than their rehabilitation takes and the focus of their stay should 100% be rehabilitation That would be nice, but our current justice system is not even remotely close to being anything like this. That will take generations of change. You're trying to say we should be at step Z when we haven't even gotten to A yet.

craftyguy 8y ago
Well, for one, we can rename the "Department of Corrections" to reflect what it really is since 'corrections' is not part of their charter. Step A should be "stop lying to ourselves and face the truth".
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Well, for one, we can rename the "Department of Corrections" to reflect what it really is Well, we could, but no one wants to sponsor the bill to replace that name with “Department of Vengeance, Torture, Slavery, and Maintenance of th Permanent Underclass”.
kiliantics 8y ago
That kind of argument is used to justify a lack of action towards progress though. Similar arguments were made by many about slavery at the time: "It would be nice to abolish slavery but our current economic system isn't even remotely close to being anything like this. It would take generations of change..." So we should prefer generations more people be subjected to these horrors than take a risk and make an effort to do better?
- lightbyte 8y ago
  You misunderstand. I'm not saying you can't try and change things, that's exactly what I am saying. You can't demand everything has to perfect right now, you need to actually start the change somewhere. >"It would be nice to abolish slavery but our current economic system isn't even remotely close to being anything like this. It would take generations of change..." This is more like you saying we need to have equal rights for everyone in 1800 before you start working on abolishing slavery in the first place.
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    You should read up the history of Thaddeus Stevens if you haven't yet already. There comes to a point where you need to make strong demands if you want to make any progress at all for certain things. Demanding incremental progress for things like slavery in the 1800s leads to half-baked compromise that ultimately led to even more issues later down the line.

craftyguy 8y ago

Well, for one, we can rename the "Department of Corrections" to reflect what it really is since 'corrections' is not part of their charter. Step A should be "stop lying to ourselves and face the truth".

dragonwriter 8y ago
> Well, for one, we can rename the "Department of Corrections" to reflect what it really is Well, we could, but no one wants to sponsor the bill to replace that name with “Department of Vengeance, Torture, Slavery, and Maintenance of th Permanent Underclass”.

kiliantics 8y ago

That kind of argument is used to justify a lack of action towards progress though. Similar arguments were made by many about slavery at the time: "It would be nice to abolish slavery but our current economic system isn't even remotely close to being anything like this. It would take generations of change..." So we should prefer generations more people be subjected to these horrors than take a risk and make an effort to do better?

lightbyte 8y ago
You misunderstand. I'm not saying you can't try and change things, that's exactly what I am saying. You can't demand everything has to perfect right now, you need to actually start the change somewhere. >"It would be nice to abolish slavery but our current economic system isn't even remotely close to being anything like this. It would take generations of change..." This is more like you saying we need to have equal rights for everyone in 1800 before you start working on abolishing slavery in the first place.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  You should read up the history of Thaddeus Stevens if you haven't yet already. There comes to a point where you need to make strong demands if you want to make any progress at all for certain things. Demanding incremental progress for things like slavery in the 1800s leads to half-baked compromise that ultimately led to even more issues later down the line.