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And who will fund that? Because Tesla is not Honda, they don't have the ability to sit back and spend a year or 2 on just prototyping assembly, they don't have

And who will fund that? Because Tesla is not Honda, they don't have the ability to sit back and spend a year or 2 on just prototyping assembly, they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this, they don't have the money to shut everything down for a few months to fix what amounts to 37 minute of fixes per car... It seems absolutely insane to me that they Honda would stop the world for something like that. It's like what, $15 per car in labor? $30 per car in labor? And you want to stop the whole factory output for potentially weeks to stop that? That seems like a monumental waste of time and money.

jonathankoren 8y ago
> they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this Then Elon Musk is incompetent. Because the fact is, if you don't have the experience in running a factory, you hire someone that does. This is literally a problem that you throw money at, and it goes away.
gamblor956 8y ago
It's better to waste a little bit of time and money upfront then a lot of time and money later, especially when the one-time fix will eliminate a recurring time/money sink. It may seem insane to you, but it's just common business sense to a carmaker thats been around for decades.
- Klathmon 8y ago
  But that's what they are doing... Wasting a little time and money up front by manually fixing it while they develop and deploy a fulltime fix... People here seem to be implying that they should entirely shut down the entire factory and not start it up again until all of these flaws are completely fixed, and that's not "wasting a little bit of time and money" that's putting a bullet in the head of the company.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    Tesla is wasting a lot of time and money fixing each car individually rather than actually addressing the problem in their assembly line. They actually do shut down their lines for at least a week each quarter--they've simply failed to make all the necessary fixes when they do, meaning that the even their shutdowns are a waste of time and money.
    - Klathmon 8y ago
      They are wasting an average of 37 minute per car, and I still haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why 37 minutes is going to cost them everything. Even if it cost them an extra $500 per car for those 37 minutes, it's not going to ruin them, especially when it's temporary. Most companies shut down their lines every quarter, it's a pretty common thing, and implying that Tesla is "failing" to make all the changes when they do so is silly, this is still a moving target, shit is still changing and improving. If they weren't closing down their line every quarter still, then i'd be worried that they can't keep up and aren't even trying to improve things any more.

jonathankoren 8y ago

> they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this Then Elon Musk is incompetent. Because the fact is, if you don't have the experience in running a factory, you hire someone that does. This is literally a problem that you throw money at, and it goes away.

gamblor956 8y ago

It's better to waste a little bit of time and money upfront then a lot of time and money later, especially when the one-time fix will eliminate a recurring time/money sink. It may seem insane to you, but it's just common business sense to a carmaker thats been around for decades.

Klathmon 8y ago
But that's what they are doing... Wasting a little time and money up front by manually fixing it while they develop and deploy a fulltime fix... People here seem to be implying that they should entirely shut down the entire factory and not start it up again until all of these flaws are completely fixed, and that's not "wasting a little bit of time and money" that's putting a bullet in the head of the company.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  Tesla is wasting a lot of time and money fixing each car individually rather than actually addressing the problem in their assembly line. They actually do shut down their lines for at least a week each quarter--they've simply failed to make all the necessary fixes when they do, meaning that the even their shutdowns are a waste of time and money.
  - Klathmon 8y ago
    They are wasting an average of 37 minute per car, and I still haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why 37 minutes is going to cost them everything. Even if it cost them an extra $500 per car for those 37 minutes, it's not going to ruin them, especially when it's temporary. Most companies shut down their lines every quarter, it's a pretty common thing, and implying that Tesla is "failing" to make all the changes when they do so is silly, this is still a moving target, shit is still changing and improving. If they weren't closing down their line every quarter still, then i'd be worried that they can't keep up and aren't even trying to improve things any more.