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Why do you think Tesla doesn't see this as a horrible situation? Pretend your are Honda and you just found out this is happening, what do you do? Shut down the

Why do you think Tesla doesn't see this as a horrible situation? Pretend your are Honda and you just found out this is happening, what do you do? Shut down the plant and fix it properly? Who is going to fund that? What happens if it causes other issues? How long can you afford to do this? Or would you get some people to fix the problem after production manually while you worked on solving the root of the issue? Exactly what Tesla is doing here...

gamblor956 8y ago
That is exactly what Honda would do. Shut down the plant and fix it properly. In fact, that's what every other carmaker actually does, except that they do trial runs of their factory lines before actually initiating mass production precisely so they can identify and fix problems in the assembly line like the ones Tesla is now facing.
- Klathmon 8y ago
  And who will fund that? Because Tesla is not Honda, they don't have the ability to sit back and spend a year or 2 on just prototyping assembly, they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this, they don't have the money to shut everything down for a few months to fix what amounts to 37 minute of fixes per car... It seems absolutely insane to me that they Honda would stop the world for something like that. It's like what, $15 per car in labor? $30 per car in labor? And you want to stop the whole factory output for potentially weeks to stop that? That seems like a monumental waste of time and money.
  - jonathankoren 8y ago
    > they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this Then Elon Musk is incompetent. Because the fact is, if you don't have the experience in running a factory, you hire someone that does. This is literally a problem that you throw money at, and it goes away.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    It's better to waste a little bit of time and money upfront then a lot of time and money later, especially when the one-time fix will eliminate a recurring time/money sink. It may seem insane to you, but it's just common business sense to a carmaker thats been around for decades.
    - Klathmon 8y ago
      But that's what they are doing... Wasting a little time and money up front by manually fixing it while they develop and deploy a fulltime fix... People here seem to be implying that they should entirely shut down the entire factory and not start it up again until all of these flaws are completely fixed, and that's not "wasting a little bit of time and money" that's putting a bullet in the head of the company.
      - gamblor956 8y ago
        Tesla is wasting a lot of time and money fixing each car individually rather than actually addressing the problem in their assembly line. They actually do shut down their lines for at least a week each quarter--they've simply failed to make all the necessary fixes when they do, meaning that the even their shutdowns are a waste of time and money.
        Klathmon 8y ago
        They are wasting an average of 37 minute per car, and I still haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why 37 minutes is going to cost them everything. Even if it cost them an extra $500 per car for those 37 minutes, it's not going to ruin them, especially when it's temporary. Most companies shut down their lines every quarter, it's a pretty common thing, and implying that Tesla is "failing" to make all the changes when they do so is silly, this is still a moving target, shit is still changing and improving. If they weren't closing down their line every quarter still, then i'd be worried that they can't keep up and aren't even trying to improve things any more.
sandworm101 8y ago
>>Shut down the plant and fix it properly? Yes. >> Who is going to fund that? What happens if it causes other issues? How long can you afford to do this? I don't care. I am not an investor. I am a consumer, a potential customer. I don't care whether the Tesla company lives or dies. I care about the quality of the vehicle I might purchase. Seeing this sort of problem at Tesla is a red flag. I don't want to buy a car made in a factory with such problems. What really worries me isn't so much the problem, but that Tesla isn't in full panic mode about it. The more defensive they and their supporters are, the more rooted the problem seems. A full shutdown and re-tooling would be a signal that they are a serious company. Musk has the money to do this. Instead we read about bandage solutions. The roots of the problem must be very deep.
- Klathmon 8y ago
  This has happened to every other car company on the planet at one time. Pretending it hasn't is silly. If you don't want a car that has ever had any production issues at any point in it's life, you don't want a car. It's like complaining that Intel has low yield numbers for their CPUs, or that some of the apples that your local orchid grows are rotten. The cars are being manufactured to the correct specs, it's just a different (more manual) way of doing it. If you care about nothing but your car, then you wouldn't give a shit how it's manufactured as long as it's good. If you have an issue with the end result of these cars, that's another thing. But the FPY has nothing to do with that. A car made to shitty specs and with awful tolerances is going to be awful regardless of whether they made it awful on the first try or the 10th.

gamblor956 8y ago

That is exactly what Honda would do. Shut down the plant and fix it properly. In fact, that's what every other carmaker actually does, except that they do trial runs of their factory lines before actually initiating mass production precisely so they can identify and fix problems in the assembly line like the ones Tesla is now facing.

Klathmon 8y ago
And who will fund that? Because Tesla is not Honda, they don't have the ability to sit back and spend a year or 2 on just prototyping assembly, they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this, they don't have the money to shut everything down for a few months to fix what amounts to 37 minute of fixes per car... It seems absolutely insane to me that they Honda would stop the world for something like that. It's like what, $15 per car in labor? $30 per car in labor? And you want to stop the whole factory output for potentially weeks to stop that? That seems like a monumental waste of time and money.
- jonathankoren 8y ago
  > they don't have the decades of experience running factories like this Then Elon Musk is incompetent. Because the fact is, if you don't have the experience in running a factory, you hire someone that does. This is literally a problem that you throw money at, and it goes away.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  It's better to waste a little bit of time and money upfront then a lot of time and money later, especially when the one-time fix will eliminate a recurring time/money sink. It may seem insane to you, but it's just common business sense to a carmaker thats been around for decades.
  - Klathmon 8y ago
    But that's what they are doing... Wasting a little time and money up front by manually fixing it while they develop and deploy a fulltime fix... People here seem to be implying that they should entirely shut down the entire factory and not start it up again until all of these flaws are completely fixed, and that's not "wasting a little bit of time and money" that's putting a bullet in the head of the company.
    - gamblor956 8y ago
      Tesla is wasting a lot of time and money fixing each car individually rather than actually addressing the problem in their assembly line. They actually do shut down their lines for at least a week each quarter--they've simply failed to make all the necessary fixes when they do, meaning that the even their shutdowns are a waste of time and money.
      - Klathmon 8y ago
        They are wasting an average of 37 minute per car, and I still haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why 37 minutes is going to cost them everything. Even if it cost them an extra $500 per car for those 37 minutes, it's not going to ruin them, especially when it's temporary. Most companies shut down their lines every quarter, it's a pretty common thing, and implying that Tesla is "failing" to make all the changes when they do so is silly, this is still a moving target, shit is still changing and improving. If they weren't closing down their line every quarter still, then i'd be worried that they can't keep up and aren't even trying to improve things any more.

sandworm101 8y ago

>>Shut down the plant and fix it properly? Yes. >> Who is going to fund that? What happens if it causes other issues? How long can you afford to do this? I don't care. I am not an investor. I am a consumer, a potential customer. I don't care whether the Tesla company lives or dies. I care about the quality of the vehicle I might purchase. Seeing this sort of problem at Tesla is a red flag. I don't want to buy a car made in a factory with such problems. What really worries me isn't so much the problem, but that Tesla isn't in full panic mode about it. The more defensive they and their supporters are, the more rooted the problem seems. A full shutdown and re-tooling would be a signal that they are a serious company. Musk has the money to do this. Instead we read about bandage solutions. The roots of the problem must be very deep.

Klathmon 8y ago
This has happened to every other car company on the planet at one time. Pretending it hasn't is silly. If you don't want a car that has ever had any production issues at any point in it's life, you don't want a car. It's like complaining that Intel has low yield numbers for their CPUs, or that some of the apples that your local orchid grows are rotten. The cars are being manufactured to the correct specs, it's just a different (more manual) way of doing it. If you care about nothing but your car, then you wouldn't give a shit how it's manufactured as long as it's good. If you have an issue with the end result of these cars, that's another thing. But the FPY has nothing to do with that. A car made to shitty specs and with awful tolerances is going to be awful regardless of whether they made it awful on the first try or the 10th.