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37 minutes * 4300 cars = 2,651 hours of work.

by dgritsko 8y ago

strig 8y ago
So basically one full time employee for a year.
- anticensor 8y ago
  It depends on what parts need rework. It may not be doable by one employee.
- chipotle_coyote 8y ago
  If it's $80K a week, isn't that more like ~50 full-time employees for a year?
  - strig 8y ago
    Oh I didn't realize it was per week. You're right.
jakelarkin 8y ago
2,651 hours/week * $30/hour = ~$80k/week. on a volume of cars that brings in $200m/week. so what? its a minor inefficiency.
- deleted 8y ago
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- LoSboccacc 8y ago
  not really. each rework is the equivalent of a branching prediction failure in a very very long cpu pipeline. all tasks are massively parallelized in a production line. to reach 5000 car month tesla need to crank a car every seven minutes. now imagine a production line that pump a car out every seven minutes and you need 37 minutes manual labor for each of them the inefficence doesn't look so minor. it's also a logisticsl nightmare, just imagine parking all those cars while the rework stations free up.
  - zaroth 8y ago
    In the time it takes one person to do the 37 minutes of rework you have taken 5 more cars off the line. So 6 mechanics in 6 bays at the end of the line do the rework jobs and cars continue to flow out of the plant one every 7 minutes. An extra $20 in COGS per car. Is this really so horrible? What am I missing? Even if it’s 10 mechanics and 10 drivers moving cars into and out of the bays, with some bays idle some of the time and let’s call it an extra $60 in COGS. Their gross margin is already way better than anyone expected to see on the Model 3, they used some very impressive electrical design to save in so many places. Even just their rear view mirror is more than $50 cheaper than the competition’s mirrors because of their smart electrical design. [1] Right now they need volume more than anything else. Speaking as a reservation holder. [1] - https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-solidly-profitable-sandy-munro/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-solidly-profitable-s...
    - LoSboccacc 8y ago
      > What am I missing? just on top on my mind tooling, factory space, training, burnout, turns, above average defects that will have to be handled by the post sales network. > they used some very impressive electrical design oh yes they are brilliant car, no question about that. it's less impressive when you get an engineering marvel and the build quality is random depending on the hands that worked on it in post processing.
  - dmurray 8y ago
    > the inefficence doesn't look so minor. it's also a logisticsl nightmare, just imagine parking all those cars while the rework stations free up. To park a car every seven minutes? Maybe one extra full time employee?
    - LoSboccacc 8y ago
      > logisticsl (and btw it's 3x that because full time still only means 8 hours a day)
- falcolas 8y ago
  Per employee doing rework. To complete tasks which involve taking pieces off and putting them back on in ~30 minutes, you're probably looking at up to 10 people (for example, changing a bushing on a Mercedes that requires the complete disassembly of the rear of the car is around 6 hours of labor). As a point of comparison, large car manufacturers get into the "how much would a lawsuit and recall cost" when discussing adding costs of $4-$5 per car.
kingbirdy 8y ago
Per [0] it seems like line workers make ~$20/hr, so that's over $50,000 per week to fix the cars, not including the cost of parts or associated delays. It's only about $12 per car, but for Tesla I imagine every dollar counts. [0]: https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Tesla/salaries?location=US%2FCA%2FFremont https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Tesla/salaries?location=US%2FCA%2...
- xkjkls 8y ago
  That's assuming the cost of labor is the only operating factor here. There are assumedly parts, factory operation, other opportunity costs at play here. Also, since Tesla has all of these cars under warranty themselves, if they do have issues after delivery, which quality control problems like this usually indicate it can really blow through their margins quickly.
user5994461 8y ago
It's a bit more than the output from a single person in a year. You just have to hire 2 more guys and you're good.
- refurb 8y ago
  It takes 9 months to make a baby. You can't get 9 women and produce a baby in a month. 2 new guys don't have a year to rework 4300 cars.

37 minutes * 4300 cars = 2,651 hours of work.

strig 8y ago

So basically one full time employee for a year.

anticensor 8y ago
It depends on what parts need rework. It may not be doable by one employee.
chipotle_coyote 8y ago
If it's $80K a week, isn't that more like ~50 full-time employees for a year?
- strig 8y ago
  Oh I didn't realize it was per week. You're right.

jakelarkin 8y ago

2,651 hours/week * $30/hour = ~$80k/week. on a volume of cars that brings in $200m/week. so what? its a minor inefficiency.

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LoSboccacc 8y ago
not really. each rework is the equivalent of a branching prediction failure in a very very long cpu pipeline. all tasks are massively parallelized in a production line. to reach 5000 car month tesla need to crank a car every seven minutes. now imagine a production line that pump a car out every seven minutes and you need 37 minutes manual labor for each of them the inefficence doesn't look so minor. it's also a logisticsl nightmare, just imagine parking all those cars while the rework stations free up.
- zaroth 8y ago
  In the time it takes one person to do the 37 minutes of rework you have taken 5 more cars off the line. So 6 mechanics in 6 bays at the end of the line do the rework jobs and cars continue to flow out of the plant one every 7 minutes. An extra $20 in COGS per car. Is this really so horrible? What am I missing? Even if it’s 10 mechanics and 10 drivers moving cars into and out of the bays, with some bays idle some of the time and let’s call it an extra $60 in COGS. Their gross margin is already way better than anyone expected to see on the Model 3, they used some very impressive electrical design to save in so many places. Even just their rear view mirror is more than $50 cheaper than the competition’s mirrors because of their smart electrical design. [1] Right now they need volume more than anything else. Speaking as a reservation holder. [1] - https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-solidly-profitable-sandy-munro/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-solidly-profitable-s...
  - LoSboccacc 8y ago
    > What am I missing? just on top on my mind tooling, factory space, training, burnout, turns, above average defects that will have to be handled by the post sales network. > they used some very impressive electrical design oh yes they are brilliant car, no question about that. it's less impressive when you get an engineering marvel and the build quality is random depending on the hands that worked on it in post processing.
- dmurray 8y ago
  > the inefficence doesn't look so minor. it's also a logisticsl nightmare, just imagine parking all those cars while the rework stations free up. To park a car every seven minutes? Maybe one extra full time employee?
  - LoSboccacc 8y ago
    > logisticsl (and btw it's 3x that because full time still only means 8 hours a day)
falcolas 8y ago
Per employee doing rework. To complete tasks which involve taking pieces off and putting them back on in ~30 minutes, you're probably looking at up to 10 people (for example, changing a bushing on a Mercedes that requires the complete disassembly of the rear of the car is around 6 hours of labor). As a point of comparison, large car manufacturers get into the "how much would a lawsuit and recall cost" when discussing adding costs of $4-$5 per car.

kingbirdy 8y ago

Per [0] it seems like line workers make ~$20/hr, so that's over $50,000 per week to fix the cars, not including the cost of parts or associated delays. It's only about $12 per car, but for Tesla I imagine every dollar counts. [0]: https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Tesla/salaries?location=US%2FCA%2FFremont https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Tesla/salaries?location=US%2FCA%2...

xkjkls 8y ago
That's assuming the cost of labor is the only operating factor here. There are assumedly parts, factory operation, other opportunity costs at play here. Also, since Tesla has all of these cars under warranty themselves, if they do have issues after delivery, which quality control problems like this usually indicate it can really blow through their margins quickly.

user5994461 8y ago

It's a bit more than the output from a single person in a year. You just have to hire 2 more guys and you're good.

refurb 8y ago
It takes 9 months to make a baby. You can't get 9 women and produce a baby in a month. 2 new guys don't have a year to rework 4300 cars.