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I've found that any questioning of the technical details of the government narrative on this matter is met with a flood of downvotes but never an actual valid c

I've found that any questioning of the technical details of the government narrative on this matter is met with a flood of downvotes but never an actual valid counter argument. You raise some valid points

mistermann 8y ago
That makes you, me, and two other people on this site who've noticed it. There is no shortage of incredibly intelligent people on this website, far more intelligent than me no doubt, but this particular topic has quite the "elephant in the room" feel to it, no one will address it. I feel no shame in stating my biases up front - I am a small government advocate, history very clearly demonstrates that governments (including the US) have a tendency to bend the truth now and then to achieve a state in public opinion conducive to particular policy goals and actions, and because of that I am distrustful. But that said, above all I am interested in the truth. If this is in fact a simple open and shut case, as seems to be the general consensus, then so be it. But why such secrecy around the evidence demonstrating this fact? EDIT: Some good technical discussion in here for those who are interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16653671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16653671
- daxorid 8y ago
  > That makes you, me, and two other people on this site who've noticed it. No, there are plenty of people who notice it. We've learned to keep our mouths shut on the topic because the coordinated downvote attacks by FVEY sycophants on this site make attempting discussion pointless. Find a different site if you want to raise even the merest, slightest questions with CIA talking points.
  - mistermann 8y ago
    > make attempting discussion pointless. I have noticed this as well, here and elsewhere. The level of discourse on the internet, even among genuinely intelligent people, is becoming absolutely shameful imho. I used to thrash out like everyone else but am trying to learn a smarter approach: ask very specific questions, and as soon as an answerer shifts the conversation into a large, complicated narrative encompassing many additional ideas that are not part of the original question, calmly and respectfully call them on it and restate the original question. My guess on why this particular question gets only downvotes and never answers is that it is just this type of question: simple and precise. And on top of it, I suspect no one actually knows the answer - the story has been repeated ad naseum in the media for long enough that it doesn't even occur to people to ask any questions. Well surprise surprise: You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks. Meanwhile, numerous other accounts have no such restriction. This error message seems incorrect.

mistermann 8y ago

That makes you, me, and two other people on this site who've noticed it. There is no shortage of incredibly intelligent people on this website, far more intelligent than me no doubt, but this particular topic has quite the "elephant in the room" feel to it, no one will address it. I feel no shame in stating my biases up front - I am a small government advocate, history very clearly demonstrates that governments (including the US) have a tendency to bend the truth now and then to achieve a state in public opinion conducive to particular policy goals and actions, and because of that I am distrustful. But that said, above all I am interested in the truth. If this is in fact a simple open and shut case, as seems to be the general consensus, then so be it. But why such secrecy around the evidence demonstrating this fact? EDIT: Some good technical discussion in here for those who are interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16653671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16653671

daxorid 8y ago
> That makes you, me, and two other people on this site who've noticed it. No, there are plenty of people who notice it. We've learned to keep our mouths shut on the topic because the coordinated downvote attacks by FVEY sycophants on this site make attempting discussion pointless. Find a different site if you want to raise even the merest, slightest questions with CIA talking points.
- mistermann 8y ago
  > make attempting discussion pointless. I have noticed this as well, here and elsewhere. The level of discourse on the internet, even among genuinely intelligent people, is becoming absolutely shameful imho. I used to thrash out like everyone else but am trying to learn a smarter approach: ask very specific questions, and as soon as an answerer shifts the conversation into a large, complicated narrative encompassing many additional ideas that are not part of the original question, calmly and respectfully call them on it and restate the original question. My guess on why this particular question gets only downvotes and never answers is that it is just this type of question: simple and precise. And on top of it, I suspect no one actually knows the answer - the story has been repeated ad naseum in the media for long enough that it doesn't even occur to people to ask any questions. Well surprise surprise: You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks. Meanwhile, numerous other accounts have no such restriction. This error message seems incorrect.