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If you say something like "This house needs a better security system, or your house will be robbed" and then someone in your own family robs the house, that is

If you say something like "This house needs a better security system, or your house will be robbed" and then someone in your own family robs the house, that is not prophecy. It's one thing to see the future. It's totally different when you recognize a threat or a weakness, then actively exploit that very weakness for your own gain, or at least look the other way. When Romney was so prophetic in his analysis, did he factor that his own party would be actively working with them to undermine American Influence over the world? Did he consider that, now that they are such a threat to America, that he himself would prioritize his political party over country?

secfirstmd 8y ago
Yeh he was all ready to sign-up as Secretary of State when Trump dangled it in front of him.
krylon 8y ago
> When Romney was so prophetic in his analysis, did he factor that his own party would be actively working with them to undermine American Influence over the world? I hate to be that guy, but from the perspective of large parts of the world, "American Influence" could well use some undermining. The USA have played the game of meddling in other countries' internal affairs for over a century, from the very subtle (trade policies, tariffs, etc.) to the rather overt (invading a country and forcefully overthrowing their government). Now it turns out others can play that game, too. It's not as much fun being on the short end of that particular stick, now, is it? Pardon me if I sound cynical, but that is like somebody who beats up their family on a regular basis decrying domestic violence when the wife begins learning Karate and strikes back for a change. If the USA started treating other countries as sovereign nations instead of sorting them into the lackey/enemy buckets, the world might start to look a lot less threatening... /rant
- padseeker 8y ago
  I'm ok with your rant. Whether I agree with your point or not the irrelevant to my point. Can you at least recognize at least a little irony that group that typically advocates the loudest for swinging Uncle Sam's dick around whenever possible seem to be looking the other way when a foreign adversary is undermining our country and in the process diminishing our influence? You know that guy that always yelling about America being number 1, wearing an American flag, living in the greatest and most powerful country in the world, complaining about the UN won't do everything the USA wants whenever it wants? Same person is at least ignoring, and more likely welcoming, Putin's help in getting Trump like GOP politicians elected. And in the process we have less sway with our allies in Europe. It's pretty extraordinary isn't it?
  - krylon 8y ago
    > Can you at least recognize at least a little irony that group that typically advocates the loudest for swinging Uncle Sam's dick around whenever possible seem to be looking the other way when a foreign adversary is undermining our country and in the process diminishing our influence? You do have a point there; it looks like something from a surreal political satire.

secfirstmd 8y ago

Yeh he was all ready to sign-up as Secretary of State when Trump dangled it in front of him.

krylon 8y ago

> When Romney was so prophetic in his analysis, did he factor that his own party would be actively working with them to undermine American Influence over the world? I hate to be that guy, but from the perspective of large parts of the world, "American Influence" could well use some undermining. The USA have played the game of meddling in other countries' internal affairs for over a century, from the very subtle (trade policies, tariffs, etc.) to the rather overt (invading a country and forcefully overthrowing their government). Now it turns out others can play that game, too. It's not as much fun being on the short end of that particular stick, now, is it? Pardon me if I sound cynical, but that is like somebody who beats up their family on a regular basis decrying domestic violence when the wife begins learning Karate and strikes back for a change. If the USA started treating other countries as sovereign nations instead of sorting them into the lackey/enemy buckets, the world might start to look a lot less threatening... /rant

padseeker 8y ago
I'm ok with your rant. Whether I agree with your point or not the irrelevant to my point. Can you at least recognize at least a little irony that group that typically advocates the loudest for swinging Uncle Sam's dick around whenever possible seem to be looking the other way when a foreign adversary is undermining our country and in the process diminishing our influence? You know that guy that always yelling about America being number 1, wearing an American flag, living in the greatest and most powerful country in the world, complaining about the UN won't do everything the USA wants whenever it wants? Same person is at least ignoring, and more likely welcoming, Putin's help in getting Trump like GOP politicians elected. And in the process we have less sway with our allies in Europe. It's pretty extraordinary isn't it?
- krylon 8y ago
  > Can you at least recognize at least a little irony that group that typically advocates the loudest for swinging Uncle Sam's dick around whenever possible seem to be looking the other way when a foreign adversary is undermining our country and in the process diminishing our influence? You do have a point there; it looks like something from a surreal political satire.