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I think I disagree about the red flag part. Why should you not be allowed to like it and feel valued while not being a stakeholder. How do you know that there i

scarface74 8y ago
I think I disagree about the red flag part. Why should you not be allowed to like it and feel valued while not being a stakeholder. How do you know that there is no way for him to become a stakeholder at some point in the future? Ever heard of bonus and commission payments? My main point is not to get emotional over a job or your relationship with the company or your coworkers. I’m not saying that building professional relationships with your coworkers is unimportant, it’s the most important type of influence you have in the company. As far as him “becoming a stakeholder through bonuses and commissions”, I agree. If they value him, they will place a monetary amount on that value.... You will know if they feel you are a “valued member of the team” when you get your annual raise. People pay for what they value. ——— What's more I don't see how this comment answers op's question? Your general advice seems to be "just do not do it"? Other people had already posted good advice about how to ask. I’m giving the suggestion on what to do if it doesn’t work. I’ve been cited as being “contrarian” before so this is another example I guess..... https://hired.com/blog/candidates/hackernews-discusses-assessing-company-health/ https://hired.com/blog/candidates/hackernews-discusses-asses...
banna2 8y ago
Can you please share why do you advice to stay at a company for 2 years? If someone is not getting challenging kind of work to push your knowledge and technology beyond limits? And how to portrait your accomplishments in resume for such role when u r just building API's
- starbugs 8y ago
  I did not advice anyone to stay at a company for two years. And I wouldn't advice anything that drastical based on a short HN text and some vague interpretation of what op is up for. IF someone is unchallenged as you imply I'd say a good first step would be to talk to your superior before following a generic "change company every two years" advice for no reason.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    I also wasn’t implying you should change jobs after two years. I was saying you probably shouldn’t change jobs in less than two years. There are switching costs to changing jobs (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796166), but statistically, job switchers make more than people who stay (https://www.fastcompany.com/3055035/you-should-plan-on-switching-jobs-every-three-years-for-the-rest-of-your- https://www.fastcompany.com/3055035/you-should-plan-on-switc...)
- scarface74 8y ago
  The two years part was the “what works for 90% of the people 90% of the time” type of advice. From what I have read on HN and from my personal anecdotal experience is that a job stint of less than two years looks bad on your resume unless you have a good reason and a good story to tell - layoff, contracting, etc. On the other hand, if you start interviewing after a year, what’s the harm? There are only two outcomes. You won’t find a job until year two and you won’t be considered a “job hopper” or you will and it doesn’t matter.

scarface74 8y ago

I think I disagree about the red flag part. Why should you not be allowed to like it and feel valued while not being a stakeholder. How do you know that there is no way for him to become a stakeholder at some point in the future? Ever heard of bonus and commission payments? My main point is not to get emotional over a job or your relationship with the company or your coworkers. I’m not saying that building professional relationships with your coworkers is unimportant, it’s the most important type of influence you have in the company. As far as him “becoming a stakeholder through bonuses and commissions”, I agree. If they value him, they will place a monetary amount on that value.... You will know if they feel you are a “valued member of the team” when you get your annual raise. People pay for what they value. ——— What's more I don't see how this comment answers op's question? Your general advice seems to be "just do not do it"? Other people had already posted good advice about how to ask. I’m giving the suggestion on what to do if it doesn’t work. I’ve been cited as being “contrarian” before so this is another example I guess..... https://hired.com/blog/candidates/hackernews-discusses-assessing-company-health/ https://hired.com/blog/candidates/hackernews-discusses-asses...

banna2 8y ago

Can you please share why do you advice to stay at a company for 2 years? If someone is not getting challenging kind of work to push your knowledge and technology beyond limits? And how to portrait your accomplishments in resume for such role when u r just building API's

starbugs 8y ago
I did not advice anyone to stay at a company for two years. And I wouldn't advice anything that drastical based on a short HN text and some vague interpretation of what op is up for. IF someone is unchallenged as you imply I'd say a good first step would be to talk to your superior before following a generic "change company every two years" advice for no reason.
- scarface74 8y ago
  I also wasn’t implying you should change jobs after two years. I was saying you probably shouldn’t change jobs in less than two years. There are switching costs to changing jobs (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796166), but statistically, job switchers make more than people who stay (https://www.fastcompany.com/3055035/you-should-plan-on-switching-jobs-every-three-years-for-the-rest-of-your- https://www.fastcompany.com/3055035/you-should-plan-on-switc...)
scarface74 8y ago
The two years part was the “what works for 90% of the people 90% of the time” type of advice. From what I have read on HN and from my personal anecdotal experience is that a job stint of less than two years looks bad on your resume unless you have a good reason and a good story to tell - layoff, contracting, etc. On the other hand, if you start interviewing after a year, what’s the harm? There are only two outcomes. You won’t find a job until year two and you won’t be considered a “job hopper” or you will and it doesn’t matter.