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What is really sad here is that all of this “Russian hacking” has accomplished a few goals. - invalidate news organizations. People have mistrusted the news fo

by S_A_P 8y ago

What is really sad here is that all of this “Russian hacking” has accomplished a few goals. - invalidate news organizations. People have mistrusted the news for a while. Now there is more reason for skepticism. - Taken a marginalized nation and put their name front and center for about 5-6 years. They’ve got an enhanced stature on the world stage as a former super power regaining its former glory. The Streisand effect applies. I don’t like what has happened to the internet, and I’m not sure there is a way to fix it.

presscast 8y ago
>invalidate news organizations It should also be mentioned that this has been Putin's strategy since he's been in power: blur the line between political/historical fact and fiction, and exploit the ambiguities that arise. Adam Curtis' film _Hypernormalization_ provides quite a bit of insight into this strategy and its consequences.
- cat199 8y ago
  See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
- mistermann 8y ago
  Glad to see this comment has risen from the [Dead]. As always, I would encourage HNers to think critically and fight bad language/ideas with better language/ideas, rather than downvoting or reporting anything that conflicts with your personal opinions. Say what you will about Adam Curtis, he's no Alex Jones, which I hope would be obvious from his Wikipedia entry and filmography below. I heard a lot about Hypernormalization online and finally gave in and watched it. I almost gave up 20 minutes in or so as there's no doubt it has a conspiracy theory feel to it, but am I glad I hung in there as it gets much, much better as it progresses. I found the portions on the history of Syria and the US Government's on again, off again, conveniently malleable relationship with Muammar Gaddafi particularly interesting. I should also note, this documentary isn't a one-sided hit piece by any means, there's something for people of all political stripes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis#Filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis#Filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
  - presscast 8y ago
    >I almost gave up 20 minutes in or so as there's no doubt it has a conspiracy theory feel to it Agreed. Despite posting the parent comment, I'm not a huge fan of Adam Curtis because I feel like his ideas are often a bit wishy-washy and lacking in analytical rigor. The point at which I almost gave up on Hypernormalization was when the narrator basically declares the Raegan administration retreated from the Middle East because it was "too complicated". No explanation, no analysis of _why_ it was too complicated... nothing. That said, the film left a lasting impression. I've decided to take it as something more holistic/descriptive than analytical/proscriptive, and even though I find much of it unconvincing, I think he does describe a few phenomena quite well.
c-smile 8y ago
"Invalidate news organizations" started long before the Internet. As an example: https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/meet-guy-sims-fitch-a-fake-writer-invented-by-the-us-g-1787060769 https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/meet-guy-sims-fitch-a-fake-w...
cat199 8y ago
> Taken a marginalized nation Which one would that be? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ... https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/why-does-u-s-use-russian-rockets-launch-its-satellites-n588526 https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/why-does-u-s-use-russian-... crimea and russia making us look stupid in syria happened long before the election, btw. etc. Just because the beloved 'news' which you bemoan losing 'legitimacy' used editorial bias to marginalize a nation in its coverage does not make it actually marginal..
prolikewh0a 8y ago
>What is really sad here is that all of this “Russian hacking” has accomplished a few goals. - invalidate news organizations. Good? Read Manufacturing Consent. Mainstream media shouldn't be trusted at all. They lie us into war, into conflict, shift opinions on our rights, and ultimately help us in no way, all for the benefit of shareholders. Independent third party media should be the fallback.
- krapp 8y ago
  >Independent third party media should be the fallback. But "Independent third party media" is more directly controlled, propagandized and filled with lies than the mainstream media. You would have people fall back from the frying pan and into the fire.

by S_A_P 8y ago

presscast 8y ago

>invalidate news organizations It should also be mentioned that this has been Putin's strategy since he's been in power: blur the line between political/historical fact and fiction, and exploit the ambiguities that arise. Adam Curtis' film _Hypernormalization_ provides quite a bit of insight into this strategy and its consequences.

cat199 8y ago
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
mistermann 8y ago
Glad to see this comment has risen from the [Dead]. As always, I would encourage HNers to think critically and fight bad language/ideas with better language/ideas, rather than downvoting or reporting anything that conflicts with your personal opinions. Say what you will about Adam Curtis, he's no Alex Jones, which I hope would be obvious from his Wikipedia entry and filmography below. I heard a lot about Hypernormalization online and finally gave in and watched it. I almost gave up 20 minutes in or so as there's no doubt it has a conspiracy theory feel to it, but am I glad I hung in there as it gets much, much better as it progresses. I found the portions on the history of Syria and the US Government's on again, off again, conveniently malleable relationship with Muammar Gaddafi particularly interesting. I should also note, this documentary isn't a one-sided hit piece by any means, there's something for people of all political stripes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis#Filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis#Filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
- presscast 8y ago
  >I almost gave up 20 minutes in or so as there's no doubt it has a conspiracy theory feel to it Agreed. Despite posting the parent comment, I'm not a huge fan of Adam Curtis because I feel like his ideas are often a bit wishy-washy and lacking in analytical rigor. The point at which I almost gave up on Hypernormalization was when the narrator basically declares the Raegan administration retreated from the Middle East because it was "too complicated". No explanation, no analysis of _why_ it was too complicated... nothing. That said, the film left a lasting impression. I've decided to take it as something more holistic/descriptive than analytical/proscriptive, and even though I find much of it unconvincing, I think he does describe a few phenomena quite well.

c-smile 8y ago

"Invalidate news organizations" started long before the Internet. As an example: https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/meet-guy-sims-fitch-a-fake-writer-invented-by-the-us-g-1787060769 https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/meet-guy-sims-fitch-a-fake-w...

cat199 8y ago

> Taken a marginalized nation Which one would that be? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ... https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/why-does-u-s-use-russian-rockets-launch-its-satellites-n588526 https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/why-does-u-s-use-russian-... crimea and russia making us look stupid in syria happened long before the election, btw. etc. Just because the beloved 'news' which you bemoan losing 'legitimacy' used editorial bias to marginalize a nation in its coverage does not make it actually marginal..

prolikewh0a 8y ago

>What is really sad here is that all of this “Russian hacking” has accomplished a few goals. - invalidate news organizations. Good? Read Manufacturing Consent. Mainstream media shouldn't be trusted at all. They lie us into war, into conflict, shift opinions on our rights, and ultimately help us in no way, all for the benefit of shareholders. Independent third party media should be the fallback.

krapp 8y ago
>Independent third party media should be the fallback. But "Independent third party media" is more directly controlled, propagandized and filled with lies than the mainstream media. You would have people fall back from the frying pan and into the fire.