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By subverting privacy Microsoft is a threat to democracy itself.

by singularity2001 8y ago

lern_too_spel 8y ago
This is a non sequitur. It is not clear that privacy (specifically privacy of data on Microsoft systems from court order, if that's what you mean) is necessary for democracy. On the other hand, the ability to unmask people who are subverting elections is useful for democracy.
- swebs 8y ago
  >It is not clear that privacy (specifically privacy of data on Microsoft systems from court order, if that's what you mean) is necessary for democracy Microsoft has included a keylogger [1] in Windows 10 that's enabled by default. Everything you type from a Windows computer is stored on their systems. They also "may" collect data from your microphone. Every modern Windows computer is essentially a wiretap. And all that is just one warrant away from government agencies. They're collecting more info on you than the KGB could ever dream of. [1] https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-...
- ionised 8y ago
  > It is not clear that privacy (specifically privacy of data on Microsoft systems from court order, if that's what you mean) is necessary for democracy. How would democracy ever work if people had no privacy?
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    How would democracy ever work if people had absolute privacy? It wouldn't, but that isn't what we were discussing either. The claim under discussion is that the privacy loss that is affected by Microsoft's privacy policy is detrimental to democracy. That claim was presented without any support.
swebs 8y ago
Seriously. This is the same Microosoft that collects keystrokes, webcam footage, browsing behavior, file system use, and dozens of other analytics from every computer running Windows. And now they're pushing to have government officials dependant on them. They have a million times more data than Cambridge Analytica at this point. Who knows how much damage they could do?
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  > This is the same Microosoft that collects keystrokes, webcam footage, browsing behavior, file system use, and dozens of other analytics from every computer running Windows. {{Citation needed}}
  - swebs 8y ago
    >"Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device. Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about how you use your device and other Microsoft services, such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse and Bing search history, and more.” >But this is not all, as this piece of software also analyses undefined “speech data”: “we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames. >But Microsoft’s updated privacy policy is not only bad news for privacy. Your free speech rights can also be violated on an ad hoc basis as the company warns: >“We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to”, for example, “protect their customers” or “enforce the terms governing the use of the services”. https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona... >How to turn off Windows 10's keylogger (yes, it still has one) https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-...

By subverting privacy Microsoft is a threat to democracy itself.

This is a non sequitur. It is not clear that privacy (specifically privacy of data on Microsoft systems from court order, if that's what you mean) is necessary for democracy. On the other hand, the ability to unmask people who are subverting elections is useful for democracy.

swebs 8y ago
>It is not clear that privacy (specifically privacy of data on Microsoft systems from court order, if that's what you mean) is necessary for democracy Microsoft has included a keylogger [1] in Windows 10 that's enabled by default. Everything you type from a Windows computer is stored on their systems. They also "may" collect data from your microphone. Every modern Windows computer is essentially a wiretap. And all that is just one warrant away from government agencies. They're collecting more info on you than the KGB could ever dream of. [1] https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-...
ionised 8y ago
> It is not clear that privacy (specifically privacy of data on Microsoft systems from court order, if that's what you mean) is necessary for democracy. How would democracy ever work if people had no privacy?
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  How would democracy ever work if people had absolute privacy? It wouldn't, but that isn't what we were discussing either. The claim under discussion is that the privacy loss that is affected by Microsoft's privacy policy is detrimental to democracy. That claim was presented without any support.

swebs 8y ago

Seriously. This is the same Microosoft that collects keystrokes, webcam footage, browsing behavior, file system use, and dozens of other analytics from every computer running Windows. And now they're pushing to have government officials dependant on them. They have a million times more data than Cambridge Analytica at this point. Who knows how much damage they could do?

lern_too_spel 8y ago
> This is the same Microosoft that collects keystrokes, webcam footage, browsing behavior, file system use, and dozens of other analytics from every computer running Windows. {{Citation needed}}
- swebs 8y ago
  >"Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device. Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about how you use your device and other Microsoft services, such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse and Bing search history, and more.” >But this is not all, as this piece of software also analyses undefined “speech data”: “we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames. >But Microsoft’s updated privacy policy is not only bad news for privacy. Your free speech rights can also be violated on an ad hoc basis as the company warns: >“We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to”, for example, “protect their customers” or “enforce the terms governing the use of the services”. https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona... >How to turn off Windows 10's keylogger (yes, it still has one) https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-...