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Sorry, but as someone with an art degree I have to respectfully disagree. Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. That style of

by bojo 8y ago

Sorry, but as someone with an art degree I have to respectfully disagree. Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. That style of thinking worked during the Dada movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada but is no longer something that would work today, unless you were doing a live art installation, in which case you are committing to some kind of commentary on some factor of the world anyways. Artists almost always create art with meaning, and in the rare cases they don’t they are still attempting to make genuinely thought provoking works of art, even if it’s simply showing off their skills. If you go to an art gallery there is always the artist’s thesis statement or message written out at the entrance. You are correct that art is subjective though. What an artist envisions and what their audience gets out of it has been shown time and again to not line up in many cases. And in a way, that is the beauty of art - our shared experiences while appreciating it.

Shorel 8y ago
> Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. That's my argument against (most) graffiti.
- Yetanfou 8y ago
  ...unless you are a big name in art, in which case the same act will suddenly be daring and expressive - viz. piss-filled jars with crosses in 'm and similar works of 'art'.
dna_polymerase 8y ago
> Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. > You are correct that art is subjective though. "art degree"
- bojo 8y ago
  “context”
Broken_Hippo 8y ago
It doesn't matter if the artist's meaning is portrayed, though, so long as viewers give it meaning. I'd argue that if the viewer doesn't give some meaning or attach some emotion to it, it has failed. I might not have meaning in mind when I create things, but I know others perceive that stuff in my art. I know a few tricks to make others feel things or think about things, and employ those. I'm mostly just making stuff I like for whatever reason, though. These AI pictures would wind up being called art if someone purposefully produced them as such and if necessary, provided some meaning or context to them all.
vwea4e4aw 8y ago
You say "sorry that's not how art works" but then immediately talk about an art movement that did just that? You're contradicting yourself. I get what you're trying to say. That sort of thing isn't common in contemporary art, especially not in a gallery setting. But that's a tiny portion of all the art in the world. For example - I know an artist in Tuscon who drinks his own piss. That's the performance. He might have a personal meaning behind it, but he doesn't explain it to anyone. And he does plenty of other meaningless things intentionally. He's not world renowned or anything, but he is known among some artists in Tuscon, he considers himself an artist, and thats how he makes his living. He also has an art degree.
- bojo 8y ago
  I get what you are saying, but the Dada movement doesn't contradict what I said, it emphasizes that there was a time when doing what was considered anti-art was itself a message. It was a strong world wide protest among aritsts against World War I, as well as the heavily traditional train of thought around art during that era. It's still a controversial topic even today!

by bojo 8y ago

Shorel 8y ago

> Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. That's my argument against (most) graffiti.

Yetanfou 8y ago
...unless you are a big name in art, in which case the same act will suddenly be daring and expressive - viz. piss-filled jars with crosses in 'm and similar works of 'art'.

dna_polymerase 8y ago

> Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. > You are correct that art is subjective though. "art degree"

bojo 8y ago
“context”

Broken_Hippo 8y ago

It doesn't matter if the artist's meaning is portrayed, though, so long as viewers give it meaning. I'd argue that if the viewer doesn't give some meaning or attach some emotion to it, it has failed. I might not have meaning in mind when I create things, but I know others perceive that stuff in my art. I know a few tricks to make others feel things or think about things, and employ those. I'm mostly just making stuff I like for whatever reason, though. These AI pictures would wind up being called art if someone purposefully produced them as such and if necessary, provided some meaning or context to them all.

vwea4e4aw 8y ago

You say "sorry that's not how art works" but then immediately talk about an art movement that did just that? You're contradicting yourself. I get what you're trying to say. That sort of thing isn't common in contemporary art, especially not in a gallery setting. But that's a tiny portion of all the art in the world. For example - I know an artist in Tuscon who drinks his own piss. That's the performance. He might have a personal meaning behind it, but he doesn't explain it to anyone. And he does plenty of other meaningless things intentionally. He's not world renowned or anything, but he is known among some artists in Tuscon, he considers himself an artist, and thats how he makes his living. He also has an art degree.

bojo 8y ago
I get what you are saying, but the Dada movement doesn't contradict what I said, it emphasizes that there was a time when doing what was considered anti-art was itself a message. It was a strong world wide protest among aritsts against World War I, as well as the heavily traditional train of thought around art during that era. It's still a controversial topic even today!