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I'm surprised PepsiCo would court this kind of controversy: SodaStream is a primary target of the BDS (boycott divest sanctions) movement[1] because of their Is

I'm surprised PepsiCo would court this kind of controversy: SodaStream is a primary target of the BDS (boycott divest sanctions) movement[1] because of their Israeli origin and particularly their history of operating facilities in disputed territories. [1] https://bdsmovement.net/tags/sodastream https://bdsmovement.net/tags/sodastream

yohann305 8y ago
like we say in English: "Business is Business"
crsv 8y ago
I've never even heard of the BDS movement until this comment, which is possibly a reason why PepsiCo didn't take this seriously.
- galazzah 8y ago
  SodaStream took it seriously enough to move their factory out of the illegal settlements
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Any by doing so fired over 500 Palestinian workers.
- runarberg 8y ago
  Perhaps it is a cultural thing, but I've been boycotting Soda stream throughout my adulthood. In fact whenever a conversation arises around me, I advice everyone (with positive feedback) to do the same. Whenever I see Soda Stream in the wild, I cringe a little.
- notafraudster 8y ago
  BDS is, and I mean this descriptively and not as an endorsement, a big deal. It has been a focal point of left grassroots politics in the West for the last several years and is one of the major pain points for campus politics. I would say a simple majority of all communication from Jewish advocacy groups the last few years has been around the BDS issue. The US Congress has considered legislation around BDS. I don't really know anyone on any side of the politics divide that doesn't take the issue seriously (whether on a symbolic or on a policy level). I suspect when you made your comment you thought you were saying "the Emperor has no clothes", but it was actually more like "I don't know anybody who voted for Nixon". Surely the better strategy in a case like this is at least to bother Googling to see if it seems like an active thing or an irrelevant fringe thing.
  - stirlo 8y ago
    It's definitely a fringe thing. "Left grassroots" is fringe already.
    - adultSwim 8y ago
      Not if you care about Israel.
  - grimbly 8y ago
    If you think that university campus politics are left-wing, you've been chugging mercury.
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wmboy 8y ago
"...because of their Israeli origin..." I realise why you've said this, but when you take a step back, surely you can see this kind of sentiment is bordering on anti-Semitism?
- secfirstmd 8y ago
  How is it borderline anti-Semitism to advocate that Sodastream goods which were being made on illegally occuipied territories of the West Bank should be boycott? Israel is unfortunately decending ever future into apartheid and authoritarianism these days. From the ongoing building of settlements, to drip feeding of Gaza, to attempts to block human rights organisations and journalists - things are pretty dam bad these days for many of my friends there.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    The factory employed mostly Palestinian workers and offered them Israeli wages and full benefits the documentary on the factory paints a very different picture than what the BDS did. According the the actual investigation the idea of the factory was to build a small plant for the sake of coexistence now you might say that the idea was bad but at the end it was more expensive for them to run the factory there due to higher payroll taxes, higher insurance and security costs and after the whole campaign drama they just closed it as the their factories in Israel proper were cheaper to run operated at a larger scale and received tax benefits. Overall I’m really not sold out on the idea that the closure did anyone but the BDS activists any good.
    - secfirstmd 8y ago
      So it's ok to violate the Fourth Geneva Convention if you setup the rare well paying factory?
      - dogma1138 8y ago
        I’m not an international law expert but I suspect you are not one either. The truth is that the only real way to crawl out of this situation is by improving the economic standards of the Palestinians and like it or not that will not happen without cooperation with Israel including building shared industrial zones like those that were prospering before their Libyan overlord Arafat decided that enough was enough and started a mess that has been going on for 2 decades. Before the 2nd Intifada the Palestinian economy was one of the fastest growing in the world what is it today?
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adultSwim 8y ago
Blood bubbles

yohann305 8y ago

like we say in English: "Business is Business"

crsv 8y ago

I've never even heard of the BDS movement until this comment, which is possibly a reason why PepsiCo didn't take this seriously.

galazzah 8y ago
SodaStream took it seriously enough to move their factory out of the illegal settlements
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Any by doing so fired over 500 Palestinian workers.
runarberg 8y ago
Perhaps it is a cultural thing, but I've been boycotting Soda stream throughout my adulthood. In fact whenever a conversation arises around me, I advice everyone (with positive feedback) to do the same. Whenever I see Soda Stream in the wild, I cringe a little.
notafraudster 8y ago
BDS is, and I mean this descriptively and not as an endorsement, a big deal. It has been a focal point of left grassroots politics in the West for the last several years and is one of the major pain points for campus politics. I would say a simple majority of all communication from Jewish advocacy groups the last few years has been around the BDS issue. The US Congress has considered legislation around BDS. I don't really know anyone on any side of the politics divide that doesn't take the issue seriously (whether on a symbolic or on a policy level). I suspect when you made your comment you thought you were saying "the Emperor has no clothes", but it was actually more like "I don't know anybody who voted for Nixon". Surely the better strategy in a case like this is at least to bother Googling to see if it seems like an active thing or an irrelevant fringe thing.
- stirlo 8y ago
  It's definitely a fringe thing. "Left grassroots" is fringe already.
  - adultSwim 8y ago
    Not if you care about Israel.
- grimbly 8y ago
  If you think that university campus politics are left-wing, you've been chugging mercury.

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wmboy 8y ago

"...because of their Israeli origin..." I realise why you've said this, but when you take a step back, surely you can see this kind of sentiment is bordering on anti-Semitism?

secfirstmd 8y ago
How is it borderline anti-Semitism to advocate that Sodastream goods which were being made on illegally occuipied territories of the West Bank should be boycott? Israel is unfortunately decending ever future into apartheid and authoritarianism these days. From the ongoing building of settlements, to drip feeding of Gaza, to attempts to block human rights organisations and journalists - things are pretty dam bad these days for many of my friends there.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  The factory employed mostly Palestinian workers and offered them Israeli wages and full benefits the documentary on the factory paints a very different picture than what the BDS did. According the the actual investigation the idea of the factory was to build a small plant for the sake of coexistence now you might say that the idea was bad but at the end it was more expensive for them to run the factory there due to higher payroll taxes, higher insurance and security costs and after the whole campaign drama they just closed it as the their factories in Israel proper were cheaper to run operated at a larger scale and received tax benefits. Overall I’m really not sold out on the idea that the closure did anyone but the BDS activists any good.
  - secfirstmd 8y ago
    So it's ok to violate the Fourth Geneva Convention if you setup the rare well paying factory?
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      I’m not an international law expert but I suspect you are not one either. The truth is that the only real way to crawl out of this situation is by improving the economic standards of the Palestinians and like it or not that will not happen without cooperation with Israel including building shared industrial zones like those that were prospering before their Libyan overlord Arafat decided that enough was enough and started a mess that has been going on for 2 decades. Before the 2nd Intifada the Palestinian economy was one of the fastest growing in the world what is it today?

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adultSwim 8y ago

Blood bubbles