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For video professionals doing ray tracing this upgrade would likely be a must-have. This assumes the improvement (i.e. 6x or anything in that ballpark) is real

by blihp 8y ago

For video professionals doing ray tracing this upgrade would likely be a must-have. This assumes the improvement (i.e. 6x or anything in that ballpark) is real and their software supports it... if so, hell, nVidia could double or triple the price of the card and it would still make sense for them. nVidia is just cashing in on a lack of any real competition at the high-end currently... hopefully we'll see AMD get back in the game at some point re: GPUs.

dragontamer 8y ago
Isn't this just an implementation of Microsoft's DirectX Raytracing API? If so, only video games are really going to use that API. I doubt that a software renderer (or CUDA-renderer) would leave raytracing / light calculations to a 3rd party. There's a rumor that Dinsey bought a bunch of real-time raytracing equipment for their theme parks (the Star Wars section in Disney World). So high-quality realtime computation is needed for high-tech entertainment / theme parks / etc. etc. So there's definitely a market, even if gamers don't buy in.
- bufferoverflow 8y ago
  You're wrong. Pretty much every major raytracing company is excited about this development. Blender is the only major one that I heard nothing from.
  - dragontamer 8y ago
    I mean, it'd be exciting if true. Do you have a link of one of these raytracing companies explaining how they plan to use NVidia's RTX cards for this sort of thing? As far as I'm aware, the only API to access these RTX raytracing cores is through the DirectX12 Raytracing API. I did a quick check on Khronos, but it doesn't seem like they have anything ready for OpenGL or Vulkan. Alternatively, maybe NVidia is opening up a new Raytracing API to access the hardware. But I didn't see any information on that either. EDIT: It seems like NVidia does have a specialized Raytracing API that various industry partners have announced support of: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/turing-industry-support/#source=pr https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/turing-industry-sup...
    - exDM69 8y ago
      Raytracing API is coming to Vulkan too. See here: http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2018/presentation/s8521-advanced-graphics-extensions-for-vulkan.pdf http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2018/presentation/s8521...
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ErneX 8y ago
video professionals should use the Turing powered Quadros, these are for gamers
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- blihp 8y ago
  It's a spectrum. Not every professional wants and/or can afford the top end cards. Many professionals (i.e. those who make money doing a thing) have been using high-end gaming cards for work pretty much since they existed. There's also the long-running debate as to the actual value of the 'pro' line of video cards for non-mission critical purposes (enough of one that nVidia in their license prohibited the use of gaming cards in servers with the odd exception of crypto mining)
  - bitL 8y ago
    But they are the low-to-mid segment of professionals doing weddings and local business presentations with median income around $50k. The ones doing interesting work can't live without real 10-bit HDR on calibrated 4k screens for realistic printing/video projections, without proper 5k+ RAW cameras and top-end lens etc. and those are extremely expensive.
    - rl3 8y ago
      >But they are the low-to-mid segment of professionals doing weddings and local business presentations with median income around $50k Yeah, tell that to the Octane Render community. There's plenty of incredible starving artists using consumer GPUs in their workflow to render top-notch work.
    - ionised 8y ago
      This is the most elitist thing I've read today, and it's only 10:30am.
    - matt4077 8y ago
      Every self-declared "professional" I've met spent most of their time unproductively fiddling with their equipment. While a select few can push the envelope with technology alone, a bit of talent seems to easily compensate for almost any technological limitations. The "latest and greatest" is the easy route to mediocracy. That's been true for all creative disciplines: from photography to writing to animation. There might even be a mechanism, where inferior (or at least different) tools may be a restriction that nurtures creativity, or at least guarantees results that are easily distinguished from the rest of the market.

by blihp 8y ago

dragontamer 8y ago

Isn't this just an implementation of Microsoft's DirectX Raytracing API? If so, only video games are really going to use that API. I doubt that a software renderer (or CUDA-renderer) would leave raytracing / light calculations to a 3rd party. There's a rumor that Dinsey bought a bunch of real-time raytracing equipment for their theme parks (the Star Wars section in Disney World). So high-quality realtime computation is needed for high-tech entertainment / theme parks / etc. etc. So there's definitely a market, even if gamers don't buy in.

bufferoverflow 8y ago
You're wrong. Pretty much every major raytracing company is excited about this development. Blender is the only major one that I heard nothing from.
- dragontamer 8y ago
  I mean, it'd be exciting if true. Do you have a link of one of these raytracing companies explaining how they plan to use NVidia's RTX cards for this sort of thing? As far as I'm aware, the only API to access these RTX raytracing cores is through the DirectX12 Raytracing API. I did a quick check on Khronos, but it doesn't seem like they have anything ready for OpenGL or Vulkan. Alternatively, maybe NVidia is opening up a new Raytracing API to access the hardware. But I didn't see any information on that either. EDIT: It seems like NVidia does have a specialized Raytracing API that various industry partners have announced support of: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/turing-industry-support/#source=pr https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/turing-industry-sup...
  - exDM69 8y ago
    Raytracing API is coming to Vulkan too. See here: http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2018/presentation/s8521-advanced-graphics-extensions-for-vulkan.pdf http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2018/presentation/s8521...
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ErneX 8y ago

video professionals should use the Turing powered Quadros, these are for gamers

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blihp 8y ago
It's a spectrum. Not every professional wants and/or can afford the top end cards. Many professionals (i.e. those who make money doing a thing) have been using high-end gaming cards for work pretty much since they existed. There's also the long-running debate as to the actual value of the 'pro' line of video cards for non-mission critical purposes (enough of one that nVidia in their license prohibited the use of gaming cards in servers with the odd exception of crypto mining)
- bitL 8y ago
  But they are the low-to-mid segment of professionals doing weddings and local business presentations with median income around $50k. The ones doing interesting work can't live without real 10-bit HDR on calibrated 4k screens for realistic printing/video projections, without proper 5k+ RAW cameras and top-end lens etc. and those are extremely expensive.
  - rl3 8y ago
    >But they are the low-to-mid segment of professionals doing weddings and local business presentations with median income around $50k Yeah, tell that to the Octane Render community. There's plenty of incredible starving artists using consumer GPUs in their workflow to render top-notch work.
  - ionised 8y ago
    This is the most elitist thing I've read today, and it's only 10:30am.
  - matt4077 8y ago
    Every self-declared "professional" I've met spent most of their time unproductively fiddling with their equipment. While a select few can push the envelope with technology alone, a bit of talent seems to easily compensate for almost any technological limitations. The "latest and greatest" is the easy route to mediocracy. That's been true for all creative disciplines: from photography to writing to animation. There might even be a mechanism, where inferior (or at least different) tools may be a restriction that nurtures creativity, or at least guarantees results that are easily distinguished from the rest of the market.