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Hm, curious - why do you say wasm and XboxOne would lean toward mono? Doesn't Blazor target .NET Core? I would've assumed .NET Core w/ UWP would be first class

Hm, curious - why do you say wasm and XboxOne would lean toward mono? Doesn't Blazor target .NET Core? I would've assumed .NET Core w/ UWP would be first class citizens on XboxOne? Thanks in advance! Edit: maybe I was confused about Blazor. Looks like it can work with ASP.NET Core, but the info I'm finding talks about building with mono. I guess the more interesting question is, do you think Mono will remain important for the places you've mentioned, or will be replaced more and more by .NET Core? Especially given the UI goals with .NET Core 3 (and my own biased belief that .NET Core is the clear unabashed future of .NET).

pionar 8y ago
WASM (Blazor) uses the Mono runtime. > I guess the more interesting question is, do you think Mono will remain important for the places you've mentioned, or will be replaced more and more by .NET Core? Especially given the UI goals with .NET Core 3 (and my own biased belief that .NET Core is the clear unabashed future of .NET). I don't know what the future is for Mono. Mono currently has support for platforms that .NET Core doesn't specifically target - iOS, Android, native code through Unity, WASM, etc. It'll probably start to move toward specifically supporting those platforms while continuing to support newer versions of the .NET Standard. .NET Core/.NET Standard is the future of mainstream .NET. .NET Framework is dead. I've heard it from Microsoft people directly. There probably will never be a 4.9, and there will definitely never be a 5.0.
- headmelted 8y ago
  > .NET Framework is dead Surely it's not that dramatic? I'd imagine at the least it would be in maintenance mode for years, although in principal I'm inclined to otherwise believe this. I don't think anyone was really convinced by the early talk of co-existence.
  - thomasz 8y ago
    I'm pretty sure there will be updates that implement newer .net standard versions, but I doubt it will receive a lot of non essential upgrades for performance and such in the future.
benaadams 8y ago
For the WebAssembly client side Blazor it uses the Mono WebAssembly (though .NET Core on server) as the Mono compile chain for WebAssembly as it is the most mature implementation (also produces smallest output from their work on watchOS). If you are using Blazor as a full desktop app (e.g. Electron) then you can use .NET Core on the client and that can talk to the javascript as a local server; but for running in the browser directly as WebAssembly it uses the Mono (WebAssembly) runtime. XboxOne can run UWP and for that you can use .NET Core (via UWP) in a "shared" mode; however it also has a dedicated "game OS" mode (which most boxed/AAA games use) which takes priority over everything and has full hardware access, but that doesn't allow Jitting so you can't use .NET Core in that mode. Mono and Unity have mature AoT compilers so can run in this mode (Xamarin also need AoT for iOS and Android which also don't allow Jitting, and Unity needs it for a lot of the platforms they support. Mono and Unity use different approaches to AoT though) Mono is now sharing C# source code with .NET Core (and it goes both ways); but as far as I'm aware .NET Core doesn't seem to be rushing to fill any of the gaps that Mono serves well (iOS, Android, etc) Though they are working on an AoT version of .NET Core for Windows/Linux/macOS https://github.com/dotnet/corert https://github.com/dotnet/corert but that seems to be more focused on competing with golang and rust's AoT single exe offerings. For desktop UIs; we'll have to see what's next :)
- pknopf 8y ago
  > For desktop UIs; we'll have to see what's next :) I've been working on a project to bring GUI to .NET. I think it really is the best option out there. https://github.com/pauldotknopf/Qml.Net https://github.com/pauldotknopf/Qml.Net

pionar 8y ago

WASM (Blazor) uses the Mono runtime. > I guess the more interesting question is, do you think Mono will remain important for the places you've mentioned, or will be replaced more and more by .NET Core? Especially given the UI goals with .NET Core 3 (and my own biased belief that .NET Core is the clear unabashed future of .NET). I don't know what the future is for Mono. Mono currently has support for platforms that .NET Core doesn't specifically target - iOS, Android, native code through Unity, WASM, etc. It'll probably start to move toward specifically supporting those platforms while continuing to support newer versions of the .NET Standard. .NET Core/.NET Standard is the future of mainstream .NET. .NET Framework is dead. I've heard it from Microsoft people directly. There probably will never be a 4.9, and there will definitely never be a 5.0.

headmelted 8y ago
> .NET Framework is dead Surely it's not that dramatic? I'd imagine at the least it would be in maintenance mode for years, although in principal I'm inclined to otherwise believe this. I don't think anyone was really convinced by the early talk of co-existence.
- thomasz 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure there will be updates that implement newer .net standard versions, but I doubt it will receive a lot of non essential upgrades for performance and such in the future.

benaadams 8y ago

For the WebAssembly client side Blazor it uses the Mono WebAssembly (though .NET Core on server) as the Mono compile chain for WebAssembly as it is the most mature implementation (also produces smallest output from their work on watchOS). If you are using Blazor as a full desktop app (e.g. Electron) then you can use .NET Core on the client and that can talk to the javascript as a local server; but for running in the browser directly as WebAssembly it uses the Mono (WebAssembly) runtime. XboxOne can run UWP and for that you can use .NET Core (via UWP) in a "shared" mode; however it also has a dedicated "game OS" mode (which most boxed/AAA games use) which takes priority over everything and has full hardware access, but that doesn't allow Jitting so you can't use .NET Core in that mode. Mono and Unity have mature AoT compilers so can run in this mode (Xamarin also need AoT for iOS and Android which also don't allow Jitting, and Unity needs it for a lot of the platforms they support. Mono and Unity use different approaches to AoT though) Mono is now sharing C# source code with .NET Core (and it goes both ways); but as far as I'm aware .NET Core doesn't seem to be rushing to fill any of the gaps that Mono serves well (iOS, Android, etc) Though they are working on an AoT version of .NET Core for Windows/Linux/macOS https://github.com/dotnet/corert https://github.com/dotnet/corert but that seems to be more focused on competing with golang and rust's AoT single exe offerings. For desktop UIs; we'll have to see what's next :)

pknopf 8y ago
> For desktop UIs; we'll have to see what's next :) I've been working on a project to bring GUI to .NET. I think it really is the best option out there. https://github.com/pauldotknopf/Qml.Net https://github.com/pauldotknopf/Qml.Net