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2080 Ti FE, 1259 Euros. All US companies follow this simple formula: $ to Euro 1:1, add 25% and then add 50-60 Euros for Free Shipping.
by Keyframe 8y ago
2080 Ti FE, 1259 Euros. All US companies follow this simple formula: $ to Euro 1:1, add 25% and then add 50-60 Euros for Free Shipping.
- bitL 8y agoIt's the 2-year warranty, translation of manuals and a need to have office in all major EU markets due to different legal stuff that makes it all pricier.
- Keyframe 8y agoEither you're missing a smiley or you're serious. You can't be serious.
- Cyph0n 8y agoSo you expect the things he mentioned are provided for free?
- ckocagil 8y agoYou're way, way overestimating the cost-per-item for everything mentioned there.
- Keyframe 8y agoWhich things exactly? Manuals translations is SO DAMN EXPENSIVE. They have to sell, what a dozen or so cards to get those losses? Or 7 european (EU) offices of which one is also a dev center vs 15 US offices (of which one is HQ/dev)? Or stock which comes to both from Taiwan? In any case, it seems VAT is the explanation and in that case price is without premium, even great compared. Still expensive.
- bitL 8y ago2-year warranty easily.
- TillE 8y agoStuff very rarely breaks in the second year. I'd bet the vast majority of warranty claims are within the first year, which is legally mandatory in every jurisdiction of note.
- majewsky 8y agoThe EU does enforce a "2-year warranty", but it's not what you think. (Speaking as a German:) When you want to replace a broken product under the mandated warranty, then: - In the first 6 months after purchase, the merchant must replace the product unless they can prove the defect was not present at purchase. - After 6 months, the burden of proof reverses, and the customer must prove that the defect in question was already present at purchase. In practice, whatever party has the burden of proof usually doesn't bother. So in effect, "6-month warranty" is a much more realistic description of this 2-year warranty. (The fine print: Many vendors offer their own voluntary warranty on top of the mandated one. And I don't know if the rules are different in other EU countries.)
- def_true_false 8y ago> In practice, whatever party has the burden of proof usually doesn't bother. In practice, I've never had to prove anything within 2 years of purchase. Might be a difference between Germany and other EU countries, but somehow I doubt that.
- jplayer01 8y agoThis is probably how it is across the EU. Why antagonize your customers unnecessarily by forcing them to jump through hoops when your product fails in less than 2 years? That just leads to bad PR and reduced customer satisfaction and thus lower trust and sales. They benefit in the perceived sense of reliability of a 2 year warranty. Why buy a product if it's going to fail in 6 months and you can't get it replaced, when the competitor is more likely to treat you fairly.
- LeifCarrotson 8y agoAt NVidia's level, nearly so. They ship on the order of 50 million desktop GPUs each year. Legal hours, real estate, or translators may seem expensive, but when you count the number of graphics cards that would be required to pay for them it's not even in the ballpark of 50 million. The warranties do cost something because they add significant risk/cost against each incremental unit, I will grant you that. Regulations like these have a disproportionate effect relative to volume. NVidia would probably have most of those things even in the absence of the regulations, a couple guys in a garage would certainly not.
- alkonaut 8y agoHave you heard about the EU single market? "Single" here is marketing speak for "one".
- Zach_the_Lizard 8y agoDon't forget taxes. US prices are typically listed without tax included, whereas I'm guessing the European ones include VAT.
- Keyframe 8y agoMost probable explanation. 19% in Germany. So, $1199 in US, ~$1443 in Europe. 1199 * 1.19 = ~$1427. $1439 with Austrian VAT of 20%, but price is still 1259 Euro, so it seems nice. Seems about right.
- xxs 8y agoAll prices in the EU must be final (hence incl. all taxes). Yes the ones in the US is pre sale/use tax.
- rsynnott 8y agoYeah; it's illegal to list prices for consumer products ex. VAT. If you're b2b you're allowed list ex-VAT but you are required to be very clear about what you're doing.
- martin_bech 8y agoYou dont need an office in every EU market, thats the thing about the EU, thats it one big singular (or connected) market, and if you can sell your stuff in one EU country, you can sell it in all of them. (very few restricstions apply)
- awiesenhofer 8y ago> need to have office in all major EU markets So, one?
- mbroncano 8y agoPrices must include VAT in Europe, which seems to account for that 20% plus you’re referring to.
- Keyframe 8y agoSame or even better price then! Still, that's a lot of money for a card.
- Matthias247 8y agoBut that's about covered by the difference in exchange rate. A few years ago prices where mostly 1:1 in USD before taxes and EUR after taxes. So the situation got worse. I think the main reason is not that anything makes selling the cards there more expensive, but simply that they try to charge more.
- Retric 8y agoExchange rates fluctuate, often it’s been ~1.05:1 which is a long way from covering the 20% VAT. Add some uncertainty, stronger consumer protection laws, and smaller markets and the price difference is relatively small.
- saiya-jin 8y ago> the price difference is relatively small Where in reality there shouldn't be any, since sending stuff across the pond costs nothing as seen in products like bananas. At least I live in place which has only 8% VAT, so prices look a bit more like US (but still higher for no good reason)
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- lagadu 8y agoSending stuff across the pond is expensive because when importing stuff you pay VAT + import fees on top of what you already paid.
- solomatov 8y agoThe premium for EU market is just about the amount of VAT. In US there's a sales tax for that which isn't included in MSRP.