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Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

by aqme28 8y ago

kup0 8y ago
These are also Founders Edition prices. Still the 2080ti is pretty expensive even at non-FE pricing: RTX 2070 cards will start at $499, with RTX 2080 at $699, and the RTX 2080 Ti starting at $999.
carbocation 8y ago
For the 1080, by your numbers, $799/$450 represents a ~78% price increase.
- Retric 8y ago
  First those are founders edition pricing which cost an extra 100$. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17802871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17802871 Also 1080's did not start at 450$ each. The 2080's price will drop eventually, until then nVidia has no reason to lower prices when they are going to be sold out for weeks if not months.
- aqme28 8y ago
  Alright fair. 50-80%, not 70-90%.
- andoriyu 8y ago
  Did you forget that 1080 was 699 at launch? I remember because that's how much I paid for it.
- Art9681 8y ago
  The price of 1080's where $600-$650 for the founders edition cards when they first came out. I know cause I preordered at those prices. I think the price of the 2080 FE cards are fair given that they are not only faster at raster graphics, but they also have the Raytracing/AI capabilities.
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wlesieutre 8y ago
Those are the "Founder's Edition" prices for the first cards from Nvidia, so it's not quite this bad either. MSRP on cards from OEMs should start at $499 for the 2070 and $699 for the 2080 ($100 cheaper than Nvidia's). Personally I still think it's insane. I have a GTX 970 from October 2014 and that was $369. EDIT: Even my $369 was a bit of a premium (OC edition and shortly after launch, I don't remember but I'm guessing I bought whatever was in stock). Wikipedia claims the GTX 970 launched in September 2014 at $329. Assuming the $329 MSRP is comparable to the $499 announcement, the __70 line is up 52% in two generations. I'm sure it's better hardware, but that's a big pile of money. And if my 970 experience holds through today, the OEM cards that are actually available are going to be pricier than the MSRP, but maybe still lower than the Founder's Edition. We'll see where the 2060 ends up.
- gambiting 8y ago
  Founders edition 2080 is £749, and the cheapest non-Nvidia one is £715 from Gigabyte. The difference is tiny and those prices are still insane.
- thezilch 8y ago
  We're also talking huge VRAM jumps, and RAM manufactoring has also hiked prices.
jasonlotito 8y ago
For those confused, these are about what the 10 series Founder's Editions were priced at originally. When the 10 series was released, the 9XX series was around the same price as the 10 series is now compared to 20. The price isn't going up by 70-90%. It's that the previous series (10) is going down. Does that mean the 10 series isn't worth it? By all means, no. The 9 series was still an excellent series when 10 was released, and people did pick the up.
- bitL 8y ago
  Which 10x0 FE did cost $1200? Did I miss something?
  - jasonlotito 8y ago
    1080 FE $699 USD 2080 FE $799 USD That qualifies as about the same price in my book, and not a 70-90% jump. As for the Ti price when 1080 series was released, there was none.
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- aseipp 8y ago
  Ehhhh, not really, but the release seems a bit different this time around. The 1080 Founders Edition and 1080 Ti FE cards both debuted at $700 USD. (The 1080 Ti was released nearly a year later.) This puts it closer to the now released 2080 FE, which is $800 USD. The 2080 Ti FE, however, is in a league closer to the Titan X/Xp, which were at $1,200. Also they're releasing the highest-end Ti edition at the same time as the ordinary version, which is a first for Nvidia, I think? (The Titan Xp was also launched after, not concurrently, with the 10xx series...) I think the concurrent launch of the 2080 Ti with the ordinary variant means they're positioning it more like an alternative to the Xp, while the non-Ti variants are closer to the ordinary gaming cards you'd normally get. In other words, for people willing to blow their price/perf budget a bit more. For DL workloads the 1080 Ti is very cost effective (vs the Xp), so it remains to be seen which variant will have the better bang/buck ratio for those uses. I suspect the fact these include Tensor Cores at their given price point will probably be a major selling point regardless of the exact model choice, especially among hobbyist DL users. The RTX line will almost certainly be better in terms of price/perf for local DL work, no matter the bloated margins vs older series. They may also be keeping prices a bit inflated, besides margins, so they can keep selling older stock and pushing it out. The 9xx series, as you said, continued to sell for a while after 10xx was released. I expect the same will be true this time around, too, especially with prices being so high.

Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

by aqme28 8y ago

Where are you getting a 70-90% price increase? 1080s are ~$450, will now be $799. 1070s are ~$400, will now be $599. (I'm going off the top hits on Newegg)

kup0 8y ago

These are also Founders Edition prices. Still the 2080ti is pretty expensive even at non-FE pricing: RTX 2070 cards will start at $499, with RTX 2080 at $699, and the RTX 2080 Ti starting at $999.

carbocation 8y ago

For the 1080, by your numbers, $799/$450 represents a ~78% price increase.

Retric 8y ago
First those are founders edition pricing which cost an extra 100$. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17802871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17802871 Also 1080's did not start at 450$ each. The 2080's price will drop eventually, until then nVidia has no reason to lower prices when they are going to be sold out for weeks if not months.
aqme28 8y ago
Alright fair. 50-80%, not 70-90%.
andoriyu 8y ago
Did you forget that 1080 was 699 at launch? I remember because that's how much I paid for it.
Art9681 8y ago
The price of 1080's where $600-$650 for the founders edition cards when they first came out. I know cause I preordered at those prices. I think the price of the 2080 FE cards are fair given that they are not only faster at raster graphics, but they also have the Raytracing/AI capabilities.

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wlesieutre 8y ago

Those are the "Founder's Edition" prices for the first cards from Nvidia, so it's not quite this bad either. MSRP on cards from OEMs should start at $499 for the 2070 and $699 for the 2080 ($100 cheaper than Nvidia's). Personally I still think it's insane. I have a GTX 970 from October 2014 and that was $369. EDIT: Even my $369 was a bit of a premium (OC edition and shortly after launch, I don't remember but I'm guessing I bought whatever was in stock). Wikipedia claims the GTX 970 launched in September 2014 at $329. Assuming the $329 MSRP is comparable to the $499 announcement, the __70 line is up 52% in two generations. I'm sure it's better hardware, but that's a big pile of money. And if my 970 experience holds through today, the OEM cards that are actually available are going to be pricier than the MSRP, but maybe still lower than the Founder's Edition. We'll see where the 2060 ends up.

gambiting 8y ago
Founders edition 2080 is £749, and the cheapest non-Nvidia one is £715 from Gigabyte. The difference is tiny and those prices are still insane.
thezilch 8y ago
We're also talking huge VRAM jumps, and RAM manufactoring has also hiked prices.

jasonlotito 8y ago

For those confused, these are about what the 10 series Founder's Editions were priced at originally. When the 10 series was released, the 9XX series was around the same price as the 10 series is now compared to 20. The price isn't going up by 70-90%. It's that the previous series (10) is going down. Does that mean the 10 series isn't worth it? By all means, no. The 9 series was still an excellent series when 10 was released, and people did pick the up.

bitL 8y ago
Which 10x0 FE did cost $1200? Did I miss something?
- jasonlotito 8y ago
  1080 FE $699 USD 2080 FE $799 USD That qualifies as about the same price in my book, and not a 70-90% jump. As for the Ti price when 1080 series was released, there was none.
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aseipp 8y ago
Ehhhh, not really, but the release seems a bit different this time around. The 1080 Founders Edition and 1080 Ti FE cards both debuted at $700 USD. (The 1080 Ti was released nearly a year later.) This puts it closer to the now released 2080 FE, which is $800 USD. The 2080 Ti FE, however, is in a league closer to the Titan X/Xp, which were at $1,200. Also they're releasing the highest-end Ti edition at the same time as the ordinary version, which is a first for Nvidia, I think? (The Titan Xp was also launched after, not concurrently, with the 10xx series...) I think the concurrent launch of the 2080 Ti with the ordinary variant means they're positioning it more like an alternative to the Xp, while the non-Ti variants are closer to the ordinary gaming cards you'd normally get. In other words, for people willing to blow their price/perf budget a bit more. For DL workloads the 1080 Ti is very cost effective (vs the Xp), so it remains to be seen which variant will have the better bang/buck ratio for those uses. I suspect the fact these include Tensor Cores at their given price point will probably be a major selling point regardless of the exact model choice, especially among hobbyist DL users. The RTX line will almost certainly be better in terms of price/perf for local DL work, no matter the bloated margins vs older series. They may also be keeping prices a bit inflated, besides margins, so they can keep selling older stock and pushing it out. The 9xx series, as you said, continued to sell for a while after 10xx was released. I expect the same will be true this time around, too, especially with prices being so high.