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This is one of the costs of diversity. People don’t work together towards shared goals anymore since they characterize the other people benefiting as un-America

• mikeash 8y ago
  That sounds more like a cost of bigotry and intolerance.
  • teddyh 8y ago
    It’s actually the combination of both which is a problem. As you say, diversity wouldn’t be a problem if there were no bigots and intolerant people, but conversely, bigots and intolerant people weren’t as much of a problem when there was less diversity.
    • mikeash 8y ago
      Sure, in the same way that a shooting murder requires someone to be in the path of the bullet, not just someone to pull the trigger.
      • teddyh 8y ago
        Yes, of course, but the bigots and intolerants (i.e. the people shooting bullets) were here first. Introducing diversity into this world full of bigots and intolerants does create problems, and it’s a bit disingenuous to disclaim all responsibility when only pushing for diversity when you know it’s going to cause problems, especially since it’s mostly going to cause problems for the very minorities that diversity is ostensibly meant to help. To be clear; I’m not blaming the actual victims of bigots and intolerants, nor do I want to remove any blame from the bigots and intolerants. I simply want to add some blame to those blindly pushing diversity without regard to who gets hurt.
        • mikeash 8y ago
          The bigots were here first? Are you not aware of native Americans or African slaves? I can’t even.
          • teddyh 8y ago
            Those are/were acts of war – a different class of problem, I would argue.
            • mikeash 8y ago
              I don’t understand what you’re saying. Diversity in the form of descendants of slaves didn’t have the negative effect you’re claiming back when the railroads or interstate highways were being built because slave imports were an act of war?
              • teddyh 8y ago
                The negative effects affecting the descendants of slaves can be traced back to being caused by the act of war that was abducting slaves in the first place. Absent any such abnormal occurrences, the bigots and intolerants could have lived a mostly peaceful existence in their non-diversified environment. As I said, it’s the combination of diversity and bigots/intolerants that makes a problem, not any one of them in isolation. One could well argue that it’s the very historical importing of slaves into the U.S. that is the cause of poor race relations today, just as much as it is caused by racists. If integration of the two cultures had been allowed to happen slowly and naturally by individual migration, a different situation might have developed.
    • aseipp 8y ago
      Some racist guy: "If the black people and immigrants had just stayed away and not come here, I wouldn't have to be racist all the time. Nowadays, you just act out like a racist, and people see it -- and wow, suddenly, people accuse you of being a racist? So then I have to get even more racist. Super racist, in fact. This is their fault, too, don't you get it? They're actively trying to make me as racist as possible." You: "This argument is incredibly logical and sound. I see no way someone could disagree with it."
    • forapurpose 8y ago
      > bigots and intolerant people weren’t as much of a problem when there was less diversity. Generations of abused minorities and women might beg to differ, from slavery to lynchings to internment camps to mass oppression, abused people from Germany (yes, you read that correctly), Italy, Ireland, China, Japan ... people who were Jewish, Catholic, Latino, African-American (of course), etc etc. etc. would all say otherwise. Assuming you are talking about the U.S., until 1920, women couldn't even vote. Until the approximately the generation who came of age in the 1980s, they didn't have access to most of the labor market - unless their husband gave permission (maybe that ended around the 1950s and 1960s) - and in most fields they still are excluded from the top positions and in many fields are still excluded from most positions except HR, receptionist, and organizing the office party. EDIT: Some updates