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Still, there are more choices than Amazon. I think it's just easier to blame Amazon than for people to make different choices.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
You should blame the exploiter, not the person being exploited. Quit shilling for a company that treats most of their workforce like garbage.
- some_account 8y ago
  I'm from sweden, we don't have Amazon here and also our laws would not allow them to treat people badly. :)
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  - knuththetruth 8y ago
    Well, then wish Swedish-style social democracy for us all, but maybe where the Marxists get to win out in the 70s.
  - nojvek 8y ago
    This. America has a lot of humane integrity over time. We are no longer a nation for the people by the people. Countries like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland get it. You don’t plow over your citizens in the name of capitalism. But then, America has always been like that. A harsh truth of the human condition. A nation of people who have it because they were born to the right parents, and some who will toil their entire lives in questionable conditions because they got delt a bad card.
- dang 8y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post uncivilly again, regardless of how you feel about a big corporation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Apocryphon 8y ago
I can only speculate that the other choices probably pay less or involve other trade-offs that make them less appealing up-front. It's not as if anyone enters an Amazon warehouse job expecting to work long hours without bathroom breaks. Or at least, people enter while thinking "that won't be me." And when terrible working conditions do crop up, it's like boiling a frog- if you've already been at the job for a while, the effort it takes to switch is change is far more difficult.
redux13 8y ago
> Still, there are more choices than Amazon. There is always a cost associated with trying to change a job, one that may be difficult for a poor person to pay. You need to do research to find these other job choices (and you really may not have many choices depending on where you live), apply to multiple places, show up for interviews, etc. Doing all these activities takes time and energy, which a person, who is possibly already struggling to make ends meet, may not have. Imagine coming home from your grueling warehouse job where you had to pee in bottles, putting together a dinner for yourself and your kids, doing some basic chores around the house so that your place doesn't turn into a shithole, and then finding the energy to do all the things you need to do for finding a job. It's easy to pontificate while sitting in our cushy tech job chairs, where if we don't like the current job, there'll be 10 recruiters blowing up your email with job opportunities, about what a person who may be less fortunate should do. > I think it's just easier to blame Amazon than for people to make different choices. It is possible that some blame lies with both parties, but Amazon definitely shares a clear (and rather heavier) burden of blame here, and there is nothing wrong in calling that out.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
No, it's easy to blame Amazon because they're treating their workers like shit.

prolikewh0a 8y ago

You should blame the exploiter, not the person being exploited. Quit shilling for a company that treats most of their workforce like garbage.

some_account 8y ago
I'm from sweden, we don't have Amazon here and also our laws would not allow them to treat people badly. :)
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- knuththetruth 8y ago
  Well, then wish Swedish-style social democracy for us all, but maybe where the Marxists get to win out in the 70s.
- nojvek 8y ago
  This. America has a lot of humane integrity over time. We are no longer a nation for the people by the people. Countries like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland get it. You don’t plow over your citizens in the name of capitalism. But then, America has always been like that. A harsh truth of the human condition. A nation of people who have it because they were born to the right parents, and some who will toil their entire lives in questionable conditions because they got delt a bad card.
dang 8y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post uncivilly again, regardless of how you feel about a big corporation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Apocryphon 8y ago

I can only speculate that the other choices probably pay less or involve other trade-offs that make them less appealing up-front. It's not as if anyone enters an Amazon warehouse job expecting to work long hours without bathroom breaks. Or at least, people enter while thinking "that won't be me." And when terrible working conditions do crop up, it's like boiling a frog- if you've already been at the job for a while, the effort it takes to switch is change is far more difficult.

redux13 8y ago

> Still, there are more choices than Amazon. There is always a cost associated with trying to change a job, one that may be difficult for a poor person to pay. You need to do research to find these other job choices (and you really may not have many choices depending on where you live), apply to multiple places, show up for interviews, etc. Doing all these activities takes time and energy, which a person, who is possibly already struggling to make ends meet, may not have. Imagine coming home from your grueling warehouse job where you had to pee in bottles, putting together a dinner for yourself and your kids, doing some basic chores around the house so that your place doesn't turn into a shithole, and then finding the energy to do all the things you need to do for finding a job. It's easy to pontificate while sitting in our cushy tech job chairs, where if we don't like the current job, there'll be 10 recruiters blowing up your email with job opportunities, about what a person who may be less fortunate should do. > I think it's just easier to blame Amazon than for people to make different choices. It is possible that some blame lies with both parties, but Amazon definitely shares a clear (and rather heavier) burden of blame here, and there is nothing wrong in calling that out.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

No, it's easy to blame Amazon because they're treating their workers like shit.