> Oh come on. Your argument is the same list of gripes that every driver has with cyclists. Every class of traffic hates every other class of traffic. Always ha

> Oh come on. Your argument is the same list of gripes that every driver has with cyclists. Every class of traffic hates every other class of traffic. Always has been that way, always will be. Yes, this is exactly my point. Nobody fully obeys the law, but cyclists get called out as "scofflaws" far more than pedestrians or motorists, even though they're also operating in the worst conditions by far. Like, pedestrians in the US are clearly second-class citizens compared to cars, but at least they get protected walk lanes (aka sidewalks) on most streets, and walk signals where there are stoplights. Bikes generally don't get those things, so they're more like third-class citizens. > In this case there's a vocal minority of the population that thinks their way of doing things (in this case it's means of transit that we're arguing over) is best and wanting government to prioritize it (at the expense of others, resources are not infinite). Actually that's not what is happening. In America, what is usually is happening is the vocal majority (people who drive, and only drive) insisting that driving stay hyper-dominant -- that it continue to receive the vast majority of land and money. You're right that they don't care about other modes, though. On the other side, people with more urbanist leanings like myself usually want a more balanced set of options: for walking, biking, driving, and transit to each be viable. This is often considered "social engineering" by the "cars cars cars, everywhere all the time" crowd. There are a lot of parallels between cars and being white or male in terms of privilege. Driving is the default, and those who only drive don't really have to think about people who are reliant on walking or biking or transit, and the issues they face. That the system is oriented to support them in particular seems to them to just be The Natural State of Things, such that they don't even notice how much advantage they have. And those who are treated as second or third class are generally much better informed on the issues for that domain, because they have to be. Example: sometimes, in the bay area, I would be biking along, and a painted bike lane would suddenly end by turning into the sidewalk. And then maybe a few hundred feet later, it might pop up again. It's like if you were driving along, and suddenly the road just ended with no warning and you were expected to drive on train tracks for a little while until it started again. Nobody who drives would find this acceptable, but it's par for the course for biking.