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> she made groups of operations and in the text of her note specified when they should repeat. Does anyone know what "should repeat" means? Was the machine cap

> she made groups of operations and in the text of her note specified when they should repeat. Does anyone know what "should repeat" means? Was the machine capable of repeating or does this mean the human operator needed to do the repeating?

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TangoTrotFox 8y ago
You can see the exact 'program' here [1]. It's really just a series of mathematical steps with a store of values in between. Notions that would have clearly taken it from being a series of mathematical steps, to a program, such as branching, looping, or jumping are left completely unspecified. So her 'loop' was specified literally as "here follows a repetition of operations 13-23". In other words, "should repeat" is left an as exercise to the reader. [1] - https://i.imgur.com/HSWjbUl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HSWjbUl.jpg
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  It's easy to be dismissive from today's perspective, but I think it adequately conveys the algorithm. As I don't think Babbage ever published an instruction set I'm not sure it could have gone a lot further.
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NeedMoreTea 8y ago
The Analytical Engine was Turing complete so loops and conditionals would have been possible, but Babbage didn't get near building it. The London Science Museum built a fully working Difference Engine, to Victorian tolerances so it could have actually worked. I heard of a project to build a modern working replica but I don't know if anything ever came of it.
- jgrahamc 8y ago
  That would be https://plan28.org/ https://plan28.org/ which I'm involved in. Blog for updates: http://blog.plan28.org/ http://blog.plan28.org/
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  - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
    Thanks! Nice to see it's still progressing.
plesner 8y ago
Babbage's notes describe what we would call branch-if-zero and branch-if-negative instructions which you could use to implement repetition. Control flow was the least well developed part of the instruction set though, presumably because it would be trivial to implement compared to the arithmetic operations so it could wait. If you're interested in that kind of thing I wrote a description of the entire instruction set a while back: http://h14s.p5r.org/2012/11/punched-cards.html http://h14s.p5r.org/2012/11/punched-cards.html.
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Having just spent the last half hour on your blog I'm even more impressed by what the pair of them achieved. Thanks for the in-depth, and wonderfully clear write-up.

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TangoTrotFox 8y ago

You can see the exact 'program' here [1]. It's really just a series of mathematical steps with a store of values in between. Notions that would have clearly taken it from being a series of mathematical steps, to a program, such as branching, looping, or jumping are left completely unspecified. So her 'loop' was specified literally as "here follows a repetition of operations 13-23". In other words, "should repeat" is left an as exercise to the reader. [1] - https://i.imgur.com/HSWjbUl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HSWjbUl.jpg

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
It's easy to be dismissive from today's perspective, but I think it adequately conveys the algorithm. As I don't think Babbage ever published an instruction set I'm not sure it could have gone a lot further.
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NeedMoreTea 8y ago

The Analytical Engine was Turing complete so loops and conditionals would have been possible, but Babbage didn't get near building it. The London Science Museum built a fully working Difference Engine, to Victorian tolerances so it could have actually worked. I heard of a project to build a modern working replica but I don't know if anything ever came of it.

jgrahamc 8y ago
That would be https://plan28.org/ https://plan28.org/ which I'm involved in. Blog for updates: http://blog.plan28.org/ http://blog.plan28.org/
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- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Thanks! Nice to see it's still progressing.

plesner 8y ago

Babbage's notes describe what we would call branch-if-zero and branch-if-negative instructions which you could use to implement repetition. Control flow was the least well developed part of the instruction set though, presumably because it would be trivial to implement compared to the arithmetic operations so it could wait. If you're interested in that kind of thing I wrote a description of the entire instruction set a while back: http://h14s.p5r.org/2012/11/punched-cards.html http://h14s.p5r.org/2012/11/punched-cards.html.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Having just spent the last half hour on your blog I'm even more impressed by what the pair of them achieved. Thanks for the in-depth, and wonderfully clear write-up.