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AV1 will win if torrents adopt it...

rootw0rm 8y ago
nah. scene stuff operates within it's own alternate reality. 10 bit x264, and 10/12 bit x265 are either the default for some scenes (anime) or popular in others. there's zero hardware support for them yet, so in my mind they haven't won. AV1 will win if cheap decoding chips flood the market.
- wmf 8y ago
  Likewise the scene adopted MKV and everybody else kept using MP4 or TS.
  - navjack27 8y ago
    It's a container
  - LeoPanthera 8y ago
    Container choices are way less important. You can convert losslessly from one to another.
    - gsich 8y ago
      Though Matroska is the clear winner in this regard.
      - cm2187 8y ago
        Is there any other format for multiple audio tracks/multiple subtitles?
        stordoff 8y ago
        MP4, IIRC - it can definitely do multiple audio tracks (iTunes uses it for AAC and AC3, for example), and I think it can do multiple subtitle tracks.
        gsich 8y ago
        mp4, kind off. but tooling for matroska is much nicer, namely mkvtoolnix.
        LeoPanthera 8y ago
        mov - though as the other comments mentioned, mp4 is a variant of mov anyway.
      - yoz-y 8y ago
        I think that it did not spread more because initially most players could not seek in MKVs immediately but you had to wait for indexing first.
- PostOnce 8y ago
  decoding in software is fine (computers are fast, batteries usually aren't a concern for TV connected stuff) for a huge number of people who watch movies, it's the bandwidth and disk space savings we crave, or at least that's my theory. I personally am super excited for AVIF too. More revolutionary for more people than AV1 video will be? The web will make fantastic use of it in terms of page load times, and reading books in archive.org or something with instant load will be great
- gsich 8y ago
  Scene stuff creates demand.
- snaky 8y ago
  Rockchip has hardware Hi10p support since RK3229 IIRC.
- BurningCycles 8y ago
  I was informed that so-called 'scene rules' still dictate the use of h264 in order to qualify as a 'scene release'. I've never seen 10bit h264 used outside of anime, but even there the default seem to be 8-bit h264, at least judging by what the subtitling groups use for their releases.

nah. scene stuff operates within it's own alternate reality. 10 bit x264, and 10/12 bit x265 are either the default for some scenes (anime) or popular in others. there's zero hardware support for them yet, so in my mind they haven't won. AV1 will win if cheap decoding chips flood the market.

wmf 8y ago
Likewise the scene adopted MKV and everybody else kept using MP4 or TS.
- navjack27 8y ago
  It's a container
- LeoPanthera 8y ago
  Container choices are way less important. You can convert losslessly from one to another.
  - gsich 8y ago
    Though Matroska is the clear winner in this regard.
    - cm2187 8y ago
      Is there any other format for multiple audio tracks/multiple subtitles?
      - stordoff 8y ago
        MP4, IIRC - it can definitely do multiple audio tracks (iTunes uses it for AAC and AC3, for example), and I think it can do multiple subtitle tracks.
      - gsich 8y ago
        mp4, kind off. but tooling for matroska is much nicer, namely mkvtoolnix.
      - LeoPanthera 8y ago
        mov - though as the other comments mentioned, mp4 is a variant of mov anyway.
    - yoz-y 8y ago
      I think that it did not spread more because initially most players could not seek in MKVs immediately but you had to wait for indexing first.
PostOnce 8y ago
decoding in software is fine (computers are fast, batteries usually aren't a concern for TV connected stuff) for a huge number of people who watch movies, it's the bandwidth and disk space savings we crave, or at least that's my theory. I personally am super excited for AVIF too. More revolutionary for more people than AV1 video will be? The web will make fantastic use of it in terms of page load times, and reading books in archive.org or something with instant load will be great
gsich 8y ago
Scene stuff creates demand.
snaky 8y ago
Rockchip has hardware Hi10p support since RK3229 IIRC.
BurningCycles 8y ago
I was informed that so-called 'scene rules' still dictate the use of h264 in order to qualify as a 'scene release'. I've never seen 10bit h264 used outside of anime, but even there the default seem to be 8-bit h264, at least judging by what the subtitling groups use for their releases.