I think your last sentence illustrates why guys like me (unfairly) have issues with Clojure wrt the JVM. I don't do Java at all; I messed around with it back in

I think your last sentence illustrates why guys like me (unfairly) have issues with Clojure wrt the JVM. I don't do Java at all; I messed around with it back in the days of 1.2 and pretty much forgot about it. It seems like a most of the people using Clojure come from a Java background, and most of the things being done with Clojure dip heavily into the Java ecosystem. Now as I said previously, I think this is an unfair assessment, from me or from anyone else. I realize that Clojure used to also live on the CLR. It's just that it is incredibly easy to implement the functionality from Java (and I suppose it was this way on .Net as well), so that it feels almost like it's loose DSL written in Java, not a full language that just happens to live on the JVM.