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Archaeologists explore a rural field in Kansas, and a lost city emerges
- ntnn 8y agoDoes someone have a non region-locked link?
- Firerouge 8y agohttps://outline.com/Adhn2h https://outline.com/Adhn2h Lots of news websites seem to think they can't function without tracking readers. I wonder how they got by when street corner newsstand were the only way to get views.
- HumanDrivenDev 8y agoI wonder how they got by when street corner newsstand were the only way to get views. They got by because people paid them money to buy the newspaper.
- martimarkov 8y agoHow about the free newspapers in the underground? They serve ads but don’t track you.
- Retric 8y agoNot really, newspapers made most of their money from advertising. You still see people handing out free newspapers in cities, but the advertising is worth more when someone pays for the paper as it’s assumed someone is going to read it vs using it as a free stack of paper. EX: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_(Washington,_D.C._newspaper) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_(Washington,_D.C._ne...
- HumanDrivenDev 8y agoWell here's the fantastic thing about newspapers and newspaper websites - you have the option of not buying them, and not visiting them. It's much nicer for the rest of us if you exercise those rights rather than complaining.
- HumanDrivenDev 8y agohttps://www.choice.com.au/electronics-and-technology/internet/internet-privacy-and-safety/articles/bypass-geo-blocking https://www.choice.com.au/electronics-and-technology/interne... Here's a good, fairly non-technical guide on things you can do to avoid geoblocking. It's targeted at Australian shoppers but would also be relevant to Europeans wanting to access international websites.
- JKCalhoun 8y agoCool. And pronounced "Ar-KAN-zes" City for some reason.
- Digory 8y agoIt's in Kansas, not Arkansas. Tradition says the English and French pronounced the same Native tribe differently. Through Wichita, the river is the "ar-Kansas River," but through Little Rock, it's the "Arkansaw." (I see some others say there are potentially two Sioux words at issue) https://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-...
- stephenhuey 8y agoI visited the Cahokia museum in East St. Louis and although there’s still not much to see since most of it has not been excavated yet, it’s still fascinating there was such a vast Native American city in the Midwest. For centuries, no one had any idea it was even there, and if you’d told Americans a century ago, they probably wouldn’t have believed it was possible. Now this new discovery is a city almost as big with over 20,000 people, which contradicts how we thought the plains had only nomadic tribes chasing the buffalo. For perspective on how advanced some of these Native American cities were, I recommend you visit the ruins of Teotihuacan since half of it has been excavated. *edit typo
- bunderbunder 8y agoHeck, as far as I can tell, even now, a lot of people who live within a few miles of the place don't really know it was there. I don't know that it's quite accurate to say that it wasn't recognized as a major site for centuries. European settlers pretty much immediately recognized the area as evidence of a large civilization. They just didn't believe anyone related to Plains Indians were capable of monumental architecture, so they instead cooked up legends about the "mound builders" that typically insinuated that they were built by a European culture - one of the lost tribes of Israel is a popular suspect - that had since disappeared.
- jacobolus 8y ago> one of the lost tribes of Israel is a popular suspect As far as I know, this idea is a creation of the Mormon church, which believes (based on their foundational holy text) that all native Americans are descended from a lost tribe of Israel, and which has spent significant resources sending archeologists around North America to prove this theory. (It turns out that if you lead with your conclusions, it is hard to do science. Some of the investigations of physical evidence are alright, but the reasoning and conclusions drawn from them are farcical.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mo...
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- ChuckMcM 8y agoFrench explorers arrived a century later but found nothing. Disease likely wiped out Etzanoa, leaving it to recede into legend. That is such a sad thing. While a hundred years might seem like a "long time" it really isn't. Imagine some city in 1920 (like say New York) with its population 5 million souls, was now an empty ruin.
- flashman 8y agoCertainly archaeology could demonstrate disease if human remains were found. But like all things that outlive us, we forget that cities aren't permanent. Perhaps they moved on because the grass was greener elsewhere (there was a 'Little Ice Age' in 1650), or maybe political strife split their loyalties. What will become of a hundred thousand towns across the world as the temperatures rise and their water dries up?
- beentherefirst 8y agoI live about an hour away and I’ve been down there recently to look for artifacts. No luck. It’s surprisingly difficult to learn where exactly where to look for them.
- dforrestwilson 8y agoI have to ask since you are the only other Kansan I have encountered on HN. What do you do and how did you end up there?
- beentherefirst 8y agoI get down on the Walnut river a little down stream from Etzanoa. Watching YouTube clips of artifact hunting says on the sand bars and banks after a rain is best.
- bunderbunder 8y agoPlease don't go collecting artifacts like that; leave it to the pros. Being able to collect detailed records of archaeological finds, including things like soil stratigraphy that require very specialized knowledge, is an important part of preserving the heritage associated with these artifacts. An artifact that's been stripped of its provenance has been stripped of almost all its scientific value. It's also potentially illegal - always on state and federal lands, and even on private land you need to get the owner's permission. (http://www.kshs.org/p/kansas-antiquities-act-statute/14587 http://www.kshs.org/p/kansas-antiquities-act-statute/14587)
- flashman 8y agoGenuinely curious, how do archaeologists catalogue items found in sand bars? Through correlation with upstream sites? I can't imagine stratigraphy would be terribly helpful.
- rbanffy 8y agoIf anyone from the LA Times is listening, even though I am accessing the website through our US VPN, I'm still fully protected by the GDPR. The geographic block is futile and ineffective as a liability protection.
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- relevantjoin 8y agoWe could ask Kim Dotcom for some advice ?
- hrktb 8y ago> A European court has no jurisdiction to impose any penalties on a non-European company. In theory can’t an european court request the US gov. To hand over the CEO for illegal activities ? Not that this case would go these lengths and I have not idea of any merit of OP’s point.
- estilos 8y agoyeah - exactly that. Or just arrest them any time they visit, really.
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