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How has no one pointed out after 8 hours that this man who “shuns riches” receives a pension that puts him in the 97.7th percentile of income[0], a fully funded

How has no one pointed out after 8 hours that this man who “shuns riches” receives a pension that puts him in the 97.7th percentile of income[0], a fully funded office, medical benefits, and no housing costs other than property tax? For a majority of America, that would be riches beyond belief. Let’s not forget he plays golf with billionaires. I’m sure Mr. Carter donates a substantial portion of his income and lives rather modestly by choice, but most people don’t have that choice. Edit: slight numerical correction, source. [0]: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/

tptacek 8y ago
The article discusses his pension and, if you reread it, points out that he does not in fact get medical benefits from his tenure in government.
- pmiller2 8y ago
  Yes, he gets medical benefits from Emory University. It’s irrelevant. Who cares where he gets them from? The point still stands that he has unimaginable riches compared to the vast majority of Americans.
  - mattkrause 8y ago
    Again, how much do you think he should he get? He also had power—-and responsibilities and stress—-that are unimaginable compare to the vast majority of Americans. And for what it’s worth, the median household income is around $60k. Three times that doesn’t seem crazy high.
  - danso 8y ago
    But what does that point have to do with this article, which details how differently Carter lives compared to other former presidents? I think it’s self-evident that Carter, being one of the fewer than 50 men in the history of the U.S. to be elected president, has an existence generally unimaginable the the vast majority of Americans.
    - pmiller2 8y ago
      That’s precisely what’s wrong. How can people who have “unimaginable existences” represent me?
      - tedunangst 8y ago
        And what does that have to do with the article?
        pmiller2 8y ago
        It’s merely the example in front of me right now. Donald Trump or any of the people listed here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_t...) would do just as well.
      - yborg 8y ago
        I get that you have an axe to grind here, and are going to have at it with a will, but let's not be intentionally obtuse. The act of being the President itself is an existence most people can't really experience. It is inherent in the office. It would be absurd to suggest he immediately resign from the office of representing the people because he instantly is no longer one of the people. It's an inherent issue with representative democracy.
      - danso 8y ago
        The article does not purport to represent you or the general readership of the Washington Post. It says right in the title that it is about former President Jimmy Carter, and presumably, people are interested in reading about other people's lives, even ones that are profoundly different from their own.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    If you're not talking about the rewards from his government service, then it's hard to figure out what your point would be, because the vast majority of Americans do in fact have health coverage.
mattkrause 8y ago
I’m not really sure where you’re going with this. The point of the article, it seems to me, is that he has consciously chosen a modest, communitarian life, even though he could certainly arrange for more lavish surroundings. Is your argument that he’s paid too much? If so, what do you think is reasonable compensation for one of the most stressful jobs on earth?
- pmiller2 8y ago
  My point is that we have a system of government that is for and by the rich, where billionaires tell the millionaires in government what they want, and then they get it. Your opinion does not matter to them [0]. Someone receiving a $206K/year pension, according to the 4% safe withdrawal method, is the equivalent of having $5.1M in a retirement account, except this is better, because it doesn’t run out. Most people won’t see that much money over their entire careers. This is not someone we should hold up and say “this person shunned riches,” because it’s not true. [0]: https://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think https://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congr...
  - mattkrause 8y ago
    Sure, he has access to money—-no argument there—-and his life will always be comfortable. On the other hand, how can you say that he’s not shunning riches, or at least their trappings? They live in Plains, Georgia. Their big Sunday dinner is casserole and one Solo cup of “bargain Chardonnay” with the neighbors. They turned down living quarters in favor of a pull-out couch in their office. It’s not at all the stereotypical lifestyle of someone with millions in the bank. Hell, parts of it make my lifestyle (academic scientist) seem opulent—-we at least have IKEA wineglasses!
doxavore 8y ago
I had the same reaction, though in comparison to other former presidents it could be considered accurate. I did find it interesting that he doesn't receive federal health benefits, having only 4 years of the required 5 years service. (He does receive them through Emory University.)
UncleEntity 8y ago
Probably because it doesn't matter. Sure, he may receive a handsome pension for his service as the highest official in the land along with other benefits but what's the alternative, having other world leaders bumping off our former presidents (looking at you Saddam) because they decided to enter public service and can't afford world-class protection for themselves/family?
dba7dba 8y ago
He lives in a house that is worth less than the armored SUV parked outside his house. And drinks cheap alcohol/food, and not for a photo op. What more do you want him to do?
danso 8y ago
The premise of this article is that Carter is an “un-celebrity” who choose to avoid profiting from his presidential past, not that he’s living on the streets as a pauper.
simonebrunozzi 8y ago
One thing is to receive a benefit given by your prior public roles (serving society). Another thing is to actively pursue money at the expense of everything else. Your comment looks rather short-sighted in this regard.

tptacek 8y ago

The article discusses his pension and, if you reread it, points out that he does not in fact get medical benefits from his tenure in government.

pmiller2 8y ago
Yes, he gets medical benefits from Emory University. It’s irrelevant. Who cares where he gets them from? The point still stands that he has unimaginable riches compared to the vast majority of Americans.
- mattkrause 8y ago
  Again, how much do you think he should he get? He also had power—-and responsibilities and stress—-that are unimaginable compare to the vast majority of Americans. And for what it’s worth, the median household income is around $60k. Three times that doesn’t seem crazy high.
- danso 8y ago
  But what does that point have to do with this article, which details how differently Carter lives compared to other former presidents? I think it’s self-evident that Carter, being one of the fewer than 50 men in the history of the U.S. to be elected president, has an existence generally unimaginable the the vast majority of Americans.
  - pmiller2 8y ago
    That’s precisely what’s wrong. How can people who have “unimaginable existences” represent me?
    - tedunangst 8y ago
      And what does that have to do with the article?
      - pmiller2 8y ago
        It’s merely the example in front of me right now. Donald Trump or any of the people listed here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_t...) would do just as well.
    - yborg 8y ago
      I get that you have an axe to grind here, and are going to have at it with a will, but let's not be intentionally obtuse. The act of being the President itself is an existence most people can't really experience. It is inherent in the office. It would be absurd to suggest he immediately resign from the office of representing the people because he instantly is no longer one of the people. It's an inherent issue with representative democracy.
    - danso 8y ago
      The article does not purport to represent you or the general readership of the Washington Post. It says right in the title that it is about former President Jimmy Carter, and presumably, people are interested in reading about other people's lives, even ones that are profoundly different from their own.
- tptacek 8y ago
  If you're not talking about the rewards from his government service, then it's hard to figure out what your point would be, because the vast majority of Americans do in fact have health coverage.

mattkrause 8y ago

I’m not really sure where you’re going with this. The point of the article, it seems to me, is that he has consciously chosen a modest, communitarian life, even though he could certainly arrange for more lavish surroundings. Is your argument that he’s paid too much? If so, what do you think is reasonable compensation for one of the most stressful jobs on earth?

pmiller2 8y ago
My point is that we have a system of government that is for and by the rich, where billionaires tell the millionaires in government what they want, and then they get it. Your opinion does not matter to them [0]. Someone receiving a $206K/year pension, according to the 4% safe withdrawal method, is the equivalent of having $5.1M in a retirement account, except this is better, because it doesn’t run out. Most people won’t see that much money over their entire careers. This is not someone we should hold up and say “this person shunned riches,” because it’s not true. [0]: https://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think https://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congr...
- mattkrause 8y ago
  Sure, he has access to money—-no argument there—-and his life will always be comfortable. On the other hand, how can you say that he’s not shunning riches, or at least their trappings? They live in Plains, Georgia. Their big Sunday dinner is casserole and one Solo cup of “bargain Chardonnay” with the neighbors. They turned down living quarters in favor of a pull-out couch in their office. It’s not at all the stereotypical lifestyle of someone with millions in the bank. Hell, parts of it make my lifestyle (academic scientist) seem opulent—-we at least have IKEA wineglasses!

doxavore 8y ago

I had the same reaction, though in comparison to other former presidents it could be considered accurate. I did find it interesting that he doesn't receive federal health benefits, having only 4 years of the required 5 years service. (He does receive them through Emory University.)

UncleEntity 8y ago

Probably because it doesn't matter. Sure, he may receive a handsome pension for his service as the highest official in the land along with other benefits but what's the alternative, having other world leaders bumping off our former presidents (looking at you Saddam) because they decided to enter public service and can't afford world-class protection for themselves/family?

dba7dba 8y ago

He lives in a house that is worth less than the armored SUV parked outside his house. And drinks cheap alcohol/food, and not for a photo op. What more do you want him to do?

danso 8y ago

The premise of this article is that Carter is an “un-celebrity” who choose to avoid profiting from his presidential past, not that he’s living on the streets as a pauper.

simonebrunozzi 8y ago

One thing is to receive a benefit given by your prior public roles (serving society). Another thing is to actively pursue money at the expense of everything else. Your comment looks rather short-sighted in this regard.