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Privacy. In the EU, there's the GDPR with such rights as the right to be forgotten, the right to access and correct any data a company has in you, etc. In th

by Beldin 8y ago

Privacy. In the EU, there's the GDPR with such rights as the right to be forgotten, the right to access and correct any data a company has in you, etc. In the US, the FCC recently made it possible for ISPs to sell data on browsing behaviour from their clients to anyone that pays. Neither is perfect, but they are worlds apart in this respect.

candiodari 8y ago
Ok let's split up this argument: 1) Privacy from government snooping a) targeted/with court order (sort of, as in many cases in the EU this does not actually require a court order. Quite a few states just give police the authority to do this by themselves with little to no oversight). Perhaps this should be called "lawful intercept" or perhaps non-mass surveillance. US: privacy held up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_... EU: no privacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation... b) without US: no privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... EU: no privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#United_Kingd... etc ... 2) privacy in the sense of forcing companies to drop personal data US: complex, and varies from state to state, in most cases you should be able to get it deleted https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/6-502-0467?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&comp=pluk&bhcp=1 https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/6-502-0467?transi... EU: also complex, but generalized: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Relating to debts: US: standardized, and regulated EU: complete and total chaos So, I would say that the situation is not quite so clear cut. In terms of your rights to prevent state spying on you, clearly the US provides superior tools to it's citizens. In fact the EU is worryingly bad. In the private sector it would be fair to say the EU is superior, except when it comes to information about debts, where again the US is superior. Doesn't seem to me to be such a clear-cut situation. But perhaps I'm wrong. Why do you think one is superior to the other ? If you're falsely accused of something, I assure you the US is far superior. If you want your mcDo to stop sending you email, you're going to find the EU is superior. Of course, spam was mostly illegal before the GPDR, and I suspect that nothing will change in practice.

by Beldin 8y ago

candiodari 8y ago

Ok let's split up this argument: 1) Privacy from government snooping a) targeted/with court order (sort of, as in many cases in the EU this does not actually require a court order. Quite a few states just give police the authority to do this by themselves with little to no oversight). Perhaps this should be called "lawful intercept" or perhaps non-mass surveillance. US: privacy held up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_... EU: no privacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation... b) without US: no privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... EU: no privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#United_Kingd... etc ... 2) privacy in the sense of forcing companies to drop personal data US: complex, and varies from state to state, in most cases you should be able to get it deleted https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/6-502-0467?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&comp=pluk&bhcp=1 https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/6-502-0467?transi... EU: also complex, but generalized: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... Relating to debts: US: standardized, and regulated EU: complete and total chaos So, I would say that the situation is not quite so clear cut. In terms of your rights to prevent state spying on you, clearly the US provides superior tools to it's citizens. In fact the EU is worryingly bad. In the private sector it would be fair to say the EU is superior, except when it comes to information about debts, where again the US is superior. Doesn't seem to me to be such a clear-cut situation. But perhaps I'm wrong. Why do you think one is superior to the other ? If you're falsely accused of something, I assure you the US is far superior. If you want your mcDo to stop sending you email, you're going to find the EU is superior. Of course, spam was mostly illegal before the GPDR, and I suspect that nothing will change in practice.