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Apple does have one model without a touchbar but it's thirteen inch and has lower specs. I am pretty sure it too has a T2 chip and the same keyboard flaws. It's

Apple does have one model without a touchbar but it's thirteen inch and has lower specs. I am pretty sure it too has a T2 chip and the same keyboard flaws. It's what I'd buy if I bought a Mac but I don't think I will.

Naomarik 8y ago
Unfortunately that one is dual core. They don't have a quad core laptop in their line up with a full keyboard.
lloeki 8y ago
Since the T2 chip is mostly about the Touch Bar / Touch ID / secure enclave then no, the FN MBP doesn't have the T2 chip nor BridgeOS. Also, the FN MBP hardware hasn't been upgraded at all like the TB ones were, so the CPU is one gen earlier and thus dual core, while keyboard flaws remain since it's a non-fixed keyboard (the one without the rubber thingies)
- ChrisLTD 8y ago
  Looks like the 2018 models haven’t exactly solved the keyboard issues. https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1030260782699892739?s=20 https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1030260782699892739?s=20 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/1030523625726779394?s=20 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/1030523625726779394?s=20
- jpangs88 8y ago
  The T2 chip also controls the secure boot functionality, I don't think that Apple would skip adding it in just because it doesn't have the touch bar. Here is a link from Apple that says all of their Macbook Pro models have T2 chips from 2018 onward. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862 But I still may be wrong though where did you read that the MBP without a touch bar doesn't have a T2 chip?
  - lloeki 8y ago
    The FN ones haven't been refreshed, therefore they're MacBookPro14,1 (mid 2017). I can't find a link right now for a source but it was mentioned in various sources from teardowns to discussions about provisioned setups and Linux installs.
    - jpangs88 8y ago
      Found a link to a forum saying exactly what you said. Weird that they don't say anything about this computer. I wonder why they even sell it at all. I guess they still sell the MacBook Air which hasn't been refreshed in a while so that's just one of their business models, sell old tech at modern prices and spend nothing on advertising. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/future-13-macbook-pro-w-function-keys-speculation.2123466/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/future-13-macbook-pro-w...

Naomarik 8y ago

Unfortunately that one is dual core. They don't have a quad core laptop in their line up with a full keyboard.

lloeki 8y ago

Since the T2 chip is mostly about the Touch Bar / Touch ID / secure enclave then no, the FN MBP doesn't have the T2 chip nor BridgeOS. Also, the FN MBP hardware hasn't been upgraded at all like the TB ones were, so the CPU is one gen earlier and thus dual core, while keyboard flaws remain since it's a non-fixed keyboard (the one without the rubber thingies)

ChrisLTD 8y ago
Looks like the 2018 models haven’t exactly solved the keyboard issues. https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1030260782699892739?s=20 https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1030260782699892739?s=20 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/1030523625726779394?s=20 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/1030523625726779394?s=20
jpangs88 8y ago
The T2 chip also controls the secure boot functionality, I don't think that Apple would skip adding it in just because it doesn't have the touch bar. Here is a link from Apple that says all of their Macbook Pro models have T2 chips from 2018 onward. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862 But I still may be wrong though where did you read that the MBP without a touch bar doesn't have a T2 chip?
- lloeki 8y ago
  The FN ones haven't been refreshed, therefore they're MacBookPro14,1 (mid 2017). I can't find a link right now for a source but it was mentioned in various sources from teardowns to discussions about provisioned setups and Linux installs.
  - jpangs88 8y ago
    Found a link to a forum saying exactly what you said. Weird that they don't say anything about this computer. I wonder why they even sell it at all. I guess they still sell the MacBook Air which hasn't been refreshed in a while so that's just one of their business models, sell old tech at modern prices and spend nothing on advertising. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/future-13-macbook-pro-w-function-keys-speculation.2123466/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/future-13-macbook-pro-w...