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Happy to hear that, since I am not exactly in joy of using ancient languages. However, from plans to actual usage takes years; specially for completely new pro

by Baal 8y ago

Happy to hear that, since I am not exactly in joy of using ancient languages. However, from plans to actual usage takes years; specially for completely new projects using new languages, compilers, libraries, etc. in safety-critical stuff, that takes months just to validate. Stating anything else is just either lying (marketing) or ignorance. Please do not do a disservice to your language by creating vacuous hype.

steveklabnik 8y ago
That was also a significant part of the talk. Like any industry, some shops are conservative, and some aren’t. Pointing out that some places are more liberal than others isn’t lying.
- Baal 8y ago
  It seems you don’t understand (or more likely you don’t want to understand). In some industries, companies _must_ be conservative by regulation or by contract: it is _not_ a choice. Trying to sell Rust by saying it is used “in satellites” is simply a PR stunt, and one that discredits your other work. Prove Rust is controlling critical systems _today_ (the kind that requires paperwork to be signed or insurances to be paid). Otherwise, please stop spreading bullshit.
  - steveklabnik 8y ago
    > (or more likely you don’t want to understand) I'm not really gonna bother to reply when there's accusations like this. I do understand everything you're saying. We're not in disagreement about the context. I (or more accurately, bluejekyll, we're talking about the same thing) did provide such a citation, you can take it or leave it.
  - dang 8y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here. Programming language flamewars are also definitely not welcome. Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - Baal 8y ago
      I don’t see any personal attack. Can you quote? I don’t even know nor care about the identity of people here. As for flamewars, what are you even talking about? I have not said a single thing in favour of any language. Have you read the thread?
      - dang 8y ago
        This is a personal attack: "It seems you don’t understand (or more likely you don’t want to understand)." This is bullying: "Prove Rust is controlling critical systems _today_ ". And this breaks the site guideline against calling names in arguments, as well as returning to personal attack: "Otherwise, please stop spreading bullshit". Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comments need to be considerably more respectful if you want to keep posting here. There are plenty of ways to express your views about programming languages thoughtfully, including if you disagree with someone. It's not hard, if you take the spirit of this site to heart. We'd appreciate it if you'd do that.
        Baal 8y ago
        Well, it seems you consider a “personal attack” any comment directed to another person, even if it is meaningful for the discussion and in-context. Your own guidelines ask for maintaining an identity (“On HN, users should have an identity that others can relate to.”); yet you don’t want any comments questioning anyone. As for the rest: I don’t see how asking for proof can be considered “bullying”. Please review the definition of bullying, because you are trivializing it and therefore hurting actual victims of bullying. Thank you on behalf of them. Finally, since it seems HN are in the business of deleting fair comments, I will leave the site and do my best warn others of what is happening here. Good luck.

by Baal 8y ago

steveklabnik 8y ago

That was also a significant part of the talk. Like any industry, some shops are conservative, and some aren’t. Pointing out that some places are more liberal than others isn’t lying.

Baal 8y ago
It seems you don’t understand (or more likely you don’t want to understand). In some industries, companies _must_ be conservative by regulation or by contract: it is _not_ a choice. Trying to sell Rust by saying it is used “in satellites” is simply a PR stunt, and one that discredits your other work. Prove Rust is controlling critical systems _today_ (the kind that requires paperwork to be signed or insurances to be paid). Otherwise, please stop spreading bullshit.
- steveklabnik 8y ago
  > (or more likely you don’t want to understand) I'm not really gonna bother to reply when there's accusations like this. I do understand everything you're saying. We're not in disagreement about the context. I (or more accurately, bluejekyll, we're talking about the same thing) did provide such a citation, you can take it or leave it.
- dang 8y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. Programming language flamewars are also definitely not welcome. Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - Baal 8y ago
    I don’t see any personal attack. Can you quote? I don’t even know nor care about the identity of people here. As for flamewars, what are you even talking about? I have not said a single thing in favour of any language. Have you read the thread?
    - dang 8y ago
      This is a personal attack: "It seems you don’t understand (or more likely you don’t want to understand)." This is bullying: "Prove Rust is controlling critical systems _today_ ". And this breaks the site guideline against calling names in arguments, as well as returning to personal attack: "Otherwise, please stop spreading bullshit". Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comments need to be considerably more respectful if you want to keep posting here. There are plenty of ways to express your views about programming languages thoughtfully, including if you disagree with someone. It's not hard, if you take the spirit of this site to heart. We'd appreciate it if you'd do that.
      - Baal 8y ago
        Well, it seems you consider a “personal attack” any comment directed to another person, even if it is meaningful for the discussion and in-context. Your own guidelines ask for maintaining an identity (“On HN, users should have an identity that others can relate to.”); yet you don’t want any comments questioning anyone. As for the rest: I don’t see how asking for proof can be considered “bullying”. Please review the definition of bullying, because you are trivializing it and therefore hurting actual victims of bullying. Thank you on behalf of them. Finally, since it seems HN are in the business of deleting fair comments, I will leave the site and do my best warn others of what is happening here. Good luck.