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Much mumbo jumbo in the comments. Immigration is seldom a problem anywhere. Excessive immigration is usually a problem everywhere. The coming of Britain's an

Much mumbo jumbo in the comments. Immigration is seldom a problem anywhere. Excessive immigration is usually a problem everywhere. The coming of Britain's and Europe's immigration backlash was obvious nearly 20 years ago. Surprise, surprise, people like their culture and their homeland. Who would've thought? Something a European in London said yesterday: "We're moving outside London. I'm not a racist, but I'd at least like to have some white neighbours." Immigration is bringing in as many of the people you're targeting for not liking immigration. I've met countless anti-Britain immigrants; not anti as a result of living here and having bad experiences, but perfectly comfortable people who simply think their country's approach to things is better. Some were friends for as long as I could stand it. If you go around talking down the country I live in and need to be succesful then you're poisonous. Constructive criticism fine; poisonous, get lost. The pro-immigration groups' big mistake was pushing too hard, too fast, giving no time for the needed gradual adjustment, which might not have worked anyway, but had a better chance than bossing the natives around, forcing them to do things they didn't want, and then insulting them. What kind of half-witted strategy is that?

xaranke 8y ago
> forcing them to do things they didn't want Can you elaborate on this? As someone who just visited London, the opposite seems to be true at least in the service industry; most wait staff I encountered were non-British.
- accnumnplus1 8y ago
  Not sure what's unclear. Some people are pro-immigration, and some are anti-immigration, and some don't give a fuck, and some are undecided. The London wait staff you encountered, and the 65+ million people you didn't encounter, the overwhelming majority of whom are not wait staff, and most of whom live outside London, are all somewhere on that spectrum of opinion. The words you selected, obviously, I think, refer to those who are anti-immigration. If you're willing, you probably don't need to be forced, right? So, unlikely I was referring to the pro-immigration people. The first words of that paragraph are "The pro-immigration groups' big mistake", which hints at the pro-immigration stance not working out too well, so clearly there's push back from people who are anti-immigration, and those are the people who have been forced to accept immigration they didn't want. And my point was something like this: http://www.longlongtimeago.com/once-upon-a-time/fables/from-aesop/the-north-wind-and-the-sun/ http://www.longlongtimeago.com/once-upon-a-time/fables/from-... If your knowledge of the country is so entirely bankrupt I don't think you should be wading into this. Harsh, maybe, but fair.
  - xaranke 8y ago
    Thanks for the clarification. I interpreted this as British people being forced into things they didn't want to do (such as menial jobs) but I realize now that you meant that they were forced into the decision of allowing immigration that as you rightly pointed out they didn't want. Also I'm not sure if you intended your comment to be patronizing, but it does read that way. Thanks again for the clarification.
    - accnumnplus1 8y ago
      "things they didn't want to do (such as menial jobs) " -- I didn't say anything of the sort, there was nothing to interpret, that's pure projection on your part, so you're calling the British arrogant and lazy. Patronising, yes, I thought you needed it.

xaranke 8y ago

> forcing them to do things they didn't want Can you elaborate on this? As someone who just visited London, the opposite seems to be true at least in the service industry; most wait staff I encountered were non-British.

accnumnplus1 8y ago
Not sure what's unclear. Some people are pro-immigration, and some are anti-immigration, and some don't give a fuck, and some are undecided. The London wait staff you encountered, and the 65+ million people you didn't encounter, the overwhelming majority of whom are not wait staff, and most of whom live outside London, are all somewhere on that spectrum of opinion. The words you selected, obviously, I think, refer to those who are anti-immigration. If you're willing, you probably don't need to be forced, right? So, unlikely I was referring to the pro-immigration people. The first words of that paragraph are "The pro-immigration groups' big mistake", which hints at the pro-immigration stance not working out too well, so clearly there's push back from people who are anti-immigration, and those are the people who have been forced to accept immigration they didn't want. And my point was something like this: http://www.longlongtimeago.com/once-upon-a-time/fables/from-aesop/the-north-wind-and-the-sun/ http://www.longlongtimeago.com/once-upon-a-time/fables/from-... If your knowledge of the country is so entirely bankrupt I don't think you should be wading into this. Harsh, maybe, but fair.
- xaranke 8y ago
  Thanks for the clarification. I interpreted this as British people being forced into things they didn't want to do (such as menial jobs) but I realize now that you meant that they were forced into the decision of allowing immigration that as you rightly pointed out they didn't want. Also I'm not sure if you intended your comment to be patronizing, but it does read that way. Thanks again for the clarification.
  - accnumnplus1 8y ago
    "things they didn't want to do (such as menial jobs) " -- I didn't say anything of the sort, there was nothing to interpret, that's pure projection on your part, so you're calling the British arrogant and lazy. Patronising, yes, I thought you needed it.