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Something I find interesting is that so many states that are heavily democrat have such high income inequality. I've always hoped that states like Massachusetts

Something I find interesting is that so many states that are heavily democrat have such high income inequality. I've always hoped that states like Massachusetts, California and New York would do more to help the poor considering that they seem to have enough voter support to do that. https://www.axios.com/income-inequality-blue-red-districts-641c4e96-327c-4237-91a5-6613ad80cff5.html https://www.axios.com/income-inequality-blue-red-districts-6...

JBlue42 8y ago
We do. We send our tax dollars to help support the impoverished red states. ;-)
- dixie_land 8y ago
  Well the Yankees wanted a big federal government so here you go. Big brother taking your $$$ to subsidize others. Should've left the southern states alone.
  - dang 8y ago
    HN is not a site for political or ideological battle, so please don't post like this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - medntech 8y ago
      Interesting you'd flag this comment and not the parent also.
      - DoreenMichele 8y ago
        Flagging is done by members.
        medntech 8y ago
        They have an account thus they can flag, correct?
        DoreenMichele 8y ago
        Dang, the individual you were replying to, is the lead moderator. (dang is his first name and his initial -- Dan G. The G is for Gackle) The moderators are routinely accused of censorship, of single-handedly suppressing articles that the broader membership flagged off the front page, etc. It takes more than one flag to kill an item. I think there is a karma threshold for flagging, so -- iirc -- no, simply having an account doesn't allow someone to flag it.
      - dang 8y ago
        It was a shitty swipe of a comment, guaranteed to provoke a flamewar. I didn't react to it because I didn't see it. That's the likeliest explanation in general, when you see a post that should have been moderated but wasn't.
- votepaunchy 8y ago
  It’s more that the Federal Government sends a lower proportion of the $1 trillion borrowed every year to the blue states, compared to the red states.
- bassman9000 8y ago
  Nice strawman. You could, at least, back the claim.
  - notacoward 8y ago
    LMGTFY. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-s... https://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8#!IpqnG https://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queen... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/04/democrats-can-look-forward-to-the-coming-republican-era-being-a-disaster-for-republican-voters/?utm_term=.aa2fd09aaa5a https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/04/democ... Also, even if you don't believe it, it's not a strawman because it wasn't being attributed to someone else. Please try to balance out the random general-purpose rhetorical tricks with some actual facts or insight of your own next time.
    - JBlue42 8y ago
      As well as: https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the... https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/please-cut-the-crap-about-red-states-subsidizing-blue-states/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/please-cut-th... And speaking of rhetorical strategy, I don't know what it's called but the recent right wing way of speech as expressed by the person I was replying to is great: >I've always hoped that states like Massachusetts, California and New York would do more to help the poor considering that they seem to have enough voter support to do that. It's like getting their political agenda in there but trying to act as if they've always innocently been expressing concern and interest about this subject. So facetious and they think they're sly.
      - google_censors 8y ago
        Thanks for the petty insults, it's sadly typical for HNers like you these days. However, I am in California and really wish the government would do more. It's not facetious. I don't expect much from states like Alabama, but blue states with lots of rich democrats need to do so much more. And as for being right-wing, I believe in socialized medicine, stronger environmental laws, higher taxes, and more strict regulation of corporations.
- dang 8y ago
  Tossing political flamebait into HN threads like this is vandalism. So is perpetuating the flamewar after you started it. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly, regardless of which color the flames burn. Please don't do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - JBlue42 8y ago
    How was the parent comment not similar? How is anything politically-related on this forum, supposedly for discussion of startups, not in some way inflammatory? What about the post itself? Not to mention that I and another user backed up my (yes, off-the-cuff) comment with references? I don't see how that 'perpetuates a flamewar'? Vandalism is a rather strong word. Feel free to ban this account. I can always make another if I decide there's any discussions worth participating in.
notacoward 8y ago
Are you sure that they don't help the poor, or could it be that they just have more poor? Poor people are more likely to stay in (or gravitate toward) places where more aid is available. They're more likely to die in places where less aid is available due to "you deserved it" moralizing with an undercurrent of discrimination (somehow people who look just like the donors do get aid instead of blame). Also, disproportionately-poor immigrants tend to arrive in "blue" coastal cities and stay in them to be around people with whom they share language and culture. So yes, there are a lot of poor people in "blue" areas not because of but despite greater efforts to reduce inequality. There are also more people pulling on the other end of the distribution because "blueness" tends to be highly correlated with growth especially in areas like tech and finance. The relative uniformity of "red" areas has a bit of a Harrison Bergeron quality to it, and that's not a good thing.

JBlue42 8y ago

We do. We send our tax dollars to help support the impoverished red states. ;-)

dixie_land 8y ago
Well the Yankees wanted a big federal government so here you go. Big brother taking your $$$ to subsidize others. Should've left the southern states alone.
- dang 8y ago
  HN is not a site for political or ideological battle, so please don't post like this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - medntech 8y ago
    Interesting you'd flag this comment and not the parent also.
    - DoreenMichele 8y ago
      Flagging is done by members.
      - medntech 8y ago
        They have an account thus they can flag, correct?
        DoreenMichele 8y ago
        Dang, the individual you were replying to, is the lead moderator. (dang is his first name and his initial -- Dan G. The G is for Gackle) The moderators are routinely accused of censorship, of single-handedly suppressing articles that the broader membership flagged off the front page, etc. It takes more than one flag to kill an item. I think there is a karma threshold for flagging, so -- iirc -- no, simply having an account doesn't allow someone to flag it.
    - dang 8y ago
      It was a shitty swipe of a comment, guaranteed to provoke a flamewar. I didn't react to it because I didn't see it. That's the likeliest explanation in general, when you see a post that should have been moderated but wasn't.
votepaunchy 8y ago
It’s more that the Federal Government sends a lower proportion of the $1 trillion borrowed every year to the blue states, compared to the red states.
bassman9000 8y ago
Nice strawman. You could, at least, back the claim.
- notacoward 8y ago
  LMGTFY. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-s... https://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8#!IpqnG https://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queen... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/04/democrats-can-look-forward-to-the-coming-republican-era-being-a-disaster-for-republican-voters/?utm_term=.aa2fd09aaa5a https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/04/democ... Also, even if you don't believe it, it's not a strawman because it wasn't being attributed to someone else. Please try to balance out the random general-purpose rhetorical tricks with some actual facts or insight of your own next time.
  - JBlue42 8y ago
    As well as: https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the... https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/please-cut-the-crap-about-red-states-subsidizing-blue-states/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/please-cut-th... And speaking of rhetorical strategy, I don't know what it's called but the recent right wing way of speech as expressed by the person I was replying to is great: >I've always hoped that states like Massachusetts, California and New York would do more to help the poor considering that they seem to have enough voter support to do that. It's like getting their political agenda in there but trying to act as if they've always innocently been expressing concern and interest about this subject. So facetious and they think they're sly.
    - google_censors 8y ago
      Thanks for the petty insults, it's sadly typical for HNers like you these days. However, I am in California and really wish the government would do more. It's not facetious. I don't expect much from states like Alabama, but blue states with lots of rich democrats need to do so much more. And as for being right-wing, I believe in socialized medicine, stronger environmental laws, higher taxes, and more strict regulation of corporations.
dang 8y ago
Tossing political flamebait into HN threads like this is vandalism. So is perpetuating the flamewar after you started it. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly, regardless of which color the flames burn. Please don't do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- JBlue42 8y ago
  How was the parent comment not similar? How is anything politically-related on this forum, supposedly for discussion of startups, not in some way inflammatory? What about the post itself? Not to mention that I and another user backed up my (yes, off-the-cuff) comment with references? I don't see how that 'perpetuates a flamewar'? Vandalism is a rather strong word. Feel free to ban this account. I can always make another if I decide there's any discussions worth participating in.

notacoward 8y ago

Are you sure that they don't help the poor, or could it be that they just have more poor? Poor people are more likely to stay in (or gravitate toward) places where more aid is available. They're more likely to die in places where less aid is available due to "you deserved it" moralizing with an undercurrent of discrimination (somehow people who look just like the donors do get aid instead of blame). Also, disproportionately-poor immigrants tend to arrive in "blue" coastal cities and stay in them to be around people with whom they share language and culture. So yes, there are a lot of poor people in "blue" areas not because of but despite greater efforts to reduce inequality. There are also more people pulling on the other end of the distribution because "blueness" tends to be highly correlated with growth especially in areas like tech and finance. The relative uniformity of "red" areas has a bit of a Harrison Bergeron quality to it, and that's not a good thing.