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China’s Uighur Camps Swell as Beijing Widens the Dragnet

44 points by dcgudeman 8y ago

tomohawk 8y ago
> "why do you believe in religion, there is no God" This is why tolerance is so important. When there is no tolerance, then people will justify anything.
devoply 8y ago
China basically is occupying a foreign country that they annexed 50 years ago and is now subjugating its conquered people to literal fascism. Where is the West's denunciation?
- IBM 8y ago
  Did you read the article?
- cbluth 8y ago
  I have a theory that this is a common pattern for the Chinese government, this uighur instance just spilled open.
- xkcd-sucks 8y ago
  Tibet had excellent PR and even that didn't help them
- beerlord 8y ago
  This is probably why: "We have to conquer our own country and purify it of all infidels. Then, we should conquer the infidels' countries and spread Islam. The infidels who are usurping our countries have announced war against Islam and Muslims, forcing Muslims to abandon Islam and change their beliefs." – Abdullah Mansour, current leader of the Uyghur separatist movement Turkistan Islamic Party (East Turkestan Islamic Movement), from "The Duty of Faith and Support," Voice of Islam/al-Fajr Media Center, August 26, 2009. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang Go ahead, intern away China.
  - scooke 8y ago
    That is one guy. I never met anyone who espouses that on the ground. If anything, that quote is aiming to generate (a previously mentioned) external support from nations that you would think would want to help due to a shared religion.
confluence 8y ago
Want to know a really good way to increase the power of a separatist group? Build internment camps. Congratulations, you played yourself.
JudasGoat 8y ago
If China is using for example Apple's data to help incarcerate their citizens, does anyone else think Apple shares responsibilty? Would a Uigur that was detained and tortured have possible legal standing in the US to sue the American corp. that helped enable the surveilance?
- Fjolsvith 8y ago
  Doubtful, as that surveillance was likely authorized by law.
- beerlord 8y ago
  https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/report-uyghurs-in-china-forced-to-install-surveillance-app-that-leaves-their-data-unsecured-04102018164341.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/report-uyghurs-in-ch... Apple not required (nor would an iPhone be affordable - Sinkiang is one of the poorer regions of China).
innagadadavida 8y ago
I feel this is so much worse than the current US government policy is, regarding Muslims. It’s sad that these groups get no support from middle east countries or Pakisthan that should sympathize with their plight.
- pcr0 8y ago
  They're not specifically targeting muslims, at least for now. For example, Hui muslims, another Chinese minority, aren't persecuted. It's more to do with the Uighur ethnicity.
  - pl1234 8y ago
    They do target people with religious beliefs in general. Sure it's not nearly as harsh yet, but xinjiang is likely just the beginning for technology and practices that will be rolled out elsewhere. Examples of religious persecution: The party tried to demolish a mosque recently, they only backed off after large protest https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2159047/chinese-hui-muslims-rally-protect-weizhou-grand-mosque https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... They regularly persecute christians http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/may/lsquo-purge-against-christians-rsquo-underway-in-china-as-persecution-ramps-up http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/may/lsquo-purge-against-chr... They have harvested organs from the falun gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... This is some of stuff corrupt elite Sam Altman will not disavow, too afraid of losing $$$

44 points by dcgudeman 8y ago

> "why do you believe in religion, there is no God" This is why tolerance is so important. When there is no tolerance, then people will justify anything.

devoply 8y ago

China basically is occupying a foreign country that they annexed 50 years ago and is now subjugating its conquered people to literal fascism. Where is the West's denunciation?

IBM 8y ago
Did you read the article?
cbluth 8y ago
I have a theory that this is a common pattern for the Chinese government, this uighur instance just spilled open.
xkcd-sucks 8y ago
Tibet had excellent PR and even that didn't help them
beerlord 8y ago
This is probably why: "We have to conquer our own country and purify it of all infidels. Then, we should conquer the infidels' countries and spread Islam. The infidels who are usurping our countries have announced war against Islam and Muslims, forcing Muslims to abandon Islam and change their beliefs." – Abdullah Mansour, current leader of the Uyghur separatist movement Turkistan Islamic Party (East Turkestan Islamic Movement), from "The Duty of Faith and Support," Voice of Islam/al-Fajr Media Center, August 26, 2009. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang Go ahead, intern away China.
- scooke 8y ago
  That is one guy. I never met anyone who espouses that on the ground. If anything, that quote is aiming to generate (a previously mentioned) external support from nations that you would think would want to help due to a shared religion.

confluence 8y ago

Want to know a really good way to increase the power of a separatist group? Build internment camps. Congratulations, you played yourself.

JudasGoat 8y ago

If China is using for example Apple's data to help incarcerate their citizens, does anyone else think Apple shares responsibilty? Would a Uigur that was detained and tortured have possible legal standing in the US to sue the American corp. that helped enable the surveilance?

Fjolsvith 8y ago
Doubtful, as that surveillance was likely authorized by law.
beerlord 8y ago
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/report-uyghurs-in-china-forced-to-install-surveillance-app-that-leaves-their-data-unsecured-04102018164341.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/report-uyghurs-in-ch... Apple not required (nor would an iPhone be affordable - Sinkiang is one of the poorer regions of China).

innagadadavida 8y ago

I feel this is so much worse than the current US government policy is, regarding Muslims. It’s sad that these groups get no support from middle east countries or Pakisthan that should sympathize with their plight.

pcr0 8y ago
They're not specifically targeting muslims, at least for now. For example, Hui muslims, another Chinese minority, aren't persecuted. It's more to do with the Uighur ethnicity.
- pl1234 8y ago
  They do target people with religious beliefs in general. Sure it's not nearly as harsh yet, but xinjiang is likely just the beginning for technology and practices that will be rolled out elsewhere. Examples of religious persecution: The party tried to demolish a mosque recently, they only backed off after large protest https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2159047/chinese-hui-muslims-rally-protect-weizhou-grand-mosque https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... They regularly persecute christians http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/may/lsquo-purge-against-christians-rsquo-underway-in-china-as-persecution-ramps-up http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/may/lsquo-purge-against-chr... They have harvested organs from the falun gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... This is some of stuff corrupt elite Sam Altman will not disavow, too afraid of losing $$$