I think this is why it's so hard to transit our concepts of "liberal" and "conservative" to other places and times. Particularly in pagan societies sex wasn't o

I think this is why it's so hard to transit our concepts of "liberal" and "conservative" to other places and times. Particularly in pagan societies sex wasn't on the same taboo to libertine spectrum we see it on. It had a different social dimension. It's interesting, you guys having this discussion because it's one of the perennial topics in world history. Has humanity been on a trend towards more individual liberty and compassion over time? Does "the moral arch of the universe bend towards justice"? Or do these ideas come and go, at different times in different places with an occasional combined trend? Is it all just a boisterous sea tide, rising and falling with eddies with eddies, spirals of change atop larger spirals?