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> Because of the Old China's Empirical Close Door Policy, they got invaded by Europeans. Because of the invasion, art works were robbed, the Old China fell and
by qiqing 8y ago
> Because of the Old China's Empirical Close Door Policy, they got invaded by Europeans. Because of the invasion, art works were robbed, the Old China fell and the New China was born.
By Close Door Policy, are you including making opium illegal and trying to enforce that law within the borders until the drug cartel showed up with a navy behind it? Are you familiar with the Opium War?
People of my grandparents generation were born into a lot of trauma. My grandfather was sold by his own parents into indentured servitude to support their opium habit for which they had already sold their farmland. (Those were desperate times when people decided to follow a populist leader who didn't know how to govern, and who, though vilified by the West, can be more described as a combination of the positive attributes of Bernie Sanders and the negative attributes of Donald Trump.)
Rich people had a lot of privilege and on the receiving end of a lot of anger from poor people, once there weren't many foreigners around to be mad at any more, and some of the aristocrats really were jerks. But some wealthy people were just idealistic and trying to fix the country instead of fleeing to other parts of Southeast Asia (a mistake made by other parts of my family), and were in for a world of hurt.
So, in your opinion ... if European soldiers looted my home and stole works of art (which actually did happen to my family), and later on, other works of art were destroyed by mobs of poor people who attacked my family, you're saying that it makes what the European looters did totally ok and they can keep their loot?
- qiqing 8y agoI don't understand the downvotes. I'm describing the personal experience of my own family, and trying to relate it to this audience. Sometimes, people like to lump all Chinese people together as a monolith without any nuance, as though the crimes that angry mobs of poor people visited upon my family justifies the crimes committed by foreigners against my family just a little bit earlier. There is no rhyme or reason to the suffering visited upon us by either party.
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- pertymcpert 8y agoCan you tell me how to downvote. I’ve been on HN for years and never seen a downvote button.
- grzm 8y agoAccumulate 500+ karma.
- pertymcpert 8y agoAh, that’s fine then.
- pertymcpert 8y agoNo I don’t think she’s saying that.
- zenexer 8y agoTo be clear, the issue being raised here is the manner in which some of the pieces are being returned: through theft. Regardless of morality, past deeds, and rightful ownership, it’s unacceptable to take matters like this into one’s own hands. Keep in mind that cars were lit on fire as a distraction: innocent people who had nothing to do with the original lootings were harmed. If we’re going to avoid grouping the Chinese together as a giant monolith, then we must do the same for the West: it’s not acceptable to set fire to cars so you can reclaim art.
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